Sick sick world what is wrong with people

[Grays_1890]

Gaslighting me now, cool

What history of international war crimes? Are you just repeating the current rhetoric? If a terror organisations HQ is beneath a hospital, then attacking it is no longer a war crime. Read up on international war legalities if you don't want to believe me

And by the way, what kind of government builds their HQ underneath a hospital? Have you ceased fire, excuse the pun, for one moment to ask yourself that?

Your question about what if the terror organisation was underneath an Israeli hospital is a hugely disingenuous question but I'll give my response

Why would Israel allow a terror organisation of their enemy beneath their hospital? If, somehow it has managed to magic itself under there, I can assure you that the patients would be out within 45 minutes not 45 days!

The reason I know this is that Israel prioritises the safety of their civilians. Does hamas?

It's why Israel invested in the Iron Dome. Did you ever stop to wonder why that was necessary? Maybe because it was constantly under attack from their neighbours....it's not for the want of trying that there haven't been more Israeli civilian deaths. If there had been, if 50% of the hamas rockets had been "successful", would you reconcile yourself to the gazan deaths more?

Do you know what a miklut is? It's a legal requirement for all residential building companies whereby they must fit each building with a bomb-proof safe room. Why do they do that do you think? We don't need them here in the UK!

The Israeli citizens have been spending more time in their mikluts than out over the last 40 days....

The gazans have no bomb shelters nor iron domes, because hamas WANTS civilian deaths on their side

One more note on your chart above... there's no context even if the numbers are correct which I'm not saying they are or aren't

The context missing is that, since 2008, when hamas took control over gaza, there have been multiple suicide bombers attempt or succeed to kill Israeli civilians and multiple rocket attacks too:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel


I'm sure all of the above will fall on deaf ears which is why I mentioned about putting you on ignore

If it turned out, for example, that hamas had nothing to do with October 7th and it was Israel that did it instead - I'd be the first person to back track and switch to the other side

When provided with evidence that is in conflict with your view, you should be mature enough to acknowledge and change your view

Using a football analogy.... you're at a game, Raheem Sterling dives, and we all call out "Dive" as fans of the opposing team. When we see in fact that Romero did trip him, only the most deluded people will continue to say it was a dive.........

Failing to mention the ICC, ICJ, UN and amnesty International who have for years reported about the flouting of international law and the prohibited confiscation of land. Which then lead to the unlawful killing and detention of protestors. I mean how dare those pesky Palestinians dare complain, maybe that was Hamas too.

Maybe amnesty international who released a detauled report into the violations in 2019 are just anti semitic which seems your go to for anyone who dare provide balance to any argument.

The point is yes Hamas are a terrorist organisation and play a massive if not majority role in all this, but to act like Israel have been the sweet an innocent light in the last 75 years is absolute lies. I can at least be honest and say us Jews have treated Palestinians with equal contempt they have to us.

I'm more than happy to be put on ignore, saves me from the low grade youtube propaganda you littered on here

 

[dawaxman]

Not all Palestinians are Hamas don't judge them on what Hamas does.who confirmed it Israel because doctors in the hospital deny it. UN have said both sides have committed war crimes

Bombing Gaza til there is nothing left achieves what exactly. Lots of dead & displaced Palestinians. you can't beat Hamas unless Israel intends to bomb qutar & Iran because that's where the leaders are

Hamas are fudging scum but Israel should stop bombing innocent people

I'll try to break this down:

I never said that all Palestinians are hamas! I said that the death of Palestinian civilians are on hamas' hands too. I'm sure that there are many Palestinian civilians who just want peace (not sure we'll ever agree on the %, but that's besides the point)

Who confirmed it? The US have gone in and verified it. Is that not good enough? Are all claims from Israel going to be dismissed? I'm hearing denials that the festival goers were raped; Claims that the idf did the killings not hamas (despite hamas openly admitting it); denials of the murdering of people in the Kibbutz despite gopro footage from the hamas terrorists; denial of the terror tunnels despite footage shared etc etc. Who needs to validate these things before you'll believe it???

UN have said both sides have committed war crimes? The body that just appointed Iran to be the arbiters? There is clear legal discourse proving that Israel is acting within the international laws of war. It's ugly yes, but it's war

Bombing gaza until there's nothing left......hmm, that sounds like rhetoric to me. Do you know what gaza looks like today and what it looked like before? Have you been there? Why do you think there's a ground force from the idf if they planned to just bomb it indiscriminately? I think you're getting mixed up. It's hamas who are bombing indiscriminately (with a number of their bombs landing in gaza - video proof exists), and Israel who are doing their best to minimise civilian deaths. There is no such thing as bombing it into there's nothing left

As for the hamas leaders in Qatar etc...I fully agree with you on this. What happens when all hamas militants in gaza have been destroyed? I'm hoping Israel can show the extent of hamas terror tunnels and depravity generally, and the whole world will apply pressure on the countries harboring hamas leaders to deport them so they can be tried for war crimes. Unfortunately I'm not sure that'll happen

Israel should stop bombing innocent people and there's a couple of really easy ways to achieve that - hamas surrender; hamas return hostages; hamas allow innocent civilians to get out of the way. You see the onus is on hamas not Israel

 

[dawaxman]

At this rate they won't have homes to go back to

Do you know what their homes were like before? Do you picture it like your home? The gazans were living in poverty thanks to hamas. They can build afresh once hamas are gone. The homes they knew may still be there or they may not, but they will be able to make a new life without fear once hamas are gone

Do you think Israel will send one bomb into gaza after hamas are gone?

 

[dawaxman]

Failing to mention the ICC, ICJ, UN and amnesty International who have for years reported about the flouting of international law and the prohibited confiscation of land. Which then lead to the unlawful killing and detention of protestors. I mean how dare those pesky Palestinians dare complain, maybe that was Hamas too.

Maybe amnesty international who released a detauled report into the violations in 2019 are just anti semitic which seems your go to for anyone who dare provide balance to any argument.

The point is yes Hamas are a terrorist organisation and play a massive if not majority role in all this, but to act like Israel have been the sweet an innocent light in the last 75 years is absolute lies. I can at least be honest and say us Jews have treated Palestinians with equal contempt they have to us.

I'm more than happy to be put on ignore, saves me from the low grade youtube propaganda you littered on here

Please share these reports, I'm interested to educate myself...

 

[dawaxman]

Failing to mention the ICC, ICJ, UN and amnesty International who have for years reported about the flouting of international law and the prohibited confiscation of land. Which then lead to the unlawful killing and detention of protestors. I mean how dare those pesky Palestinians dare complain, maybe that was Hamas too.

Maybe amnesty international who released a detauled report into the violations in 2019 are just anti semitic which seems your go to for anyone who dare provide balance to any argument.

The point is yes Hamas are a terrorist organisation and play a massive if not majority role in all this, but to act like Israel have been the sweet an innocent light in the last 75 years is absolute lies. I can at least be honest and say us Jews have treated Palestinians with equal contempt they have to us.

I'm more than happy to be put on ignore, saves me from the low grade youtube propaganda you littered on here

I note that you didn't respond to ANY of my points though

 

[scaramanga]

Well if the aid is reinstated they should have a very tight reign on it. It should never go to Hamas

You're right. Neither should fuel for hospital generators or food for refugees but somehow it always does.

 

[dawaxman]

Failing to mention the ICC, ICJ, UN and amnesty International who have for years reported about the flouting of international law and the prohibited confiscation of land. Which then lead to the unlawful killing and detention of protestors. I mean how dare those pesky Palestinians dare complain, maybe that was Hamas too.

Maybe amnesty international who released a detauled report into the violations in 2019 are just anti semitic which seems your go to for anyone who dare provide balance to any argument.

The point is yes Hamas are a terrorist organisation and play a massive if not majority role in all this, but to act like Israel have been the sweet an innocent light in the last 75 years is absolute lies. I can at least be honest and say us Jews have treated Palestinians with equal contempt they have to us.

I'm more than happy to be put on ignore, saves me from the low grade youtube propaganda you littered on here

I notice you mention in your post that you're Jewish. Have you ever been to Israel? I'd love to know more about your story if its not too personal - for example, do you have an exit strategy from the UK? Or will you deny your Jewish heritage when they come for you? Do you live in a Jewish area? Have you witnessed any antisemitism yourself? Understand if you won't answer these questions, but I'm genuinely interested as I keep hearing about Jews attending the free Palestine marches but nobody in my network, or their networks etc know anybody that has attended

Final personal question- will you be attending the march against antisemitism next week?

 

[dawaxman]

Failing to mention the ICC, ICJ, UN and amnesty International who have for years reported about the flouting of international law and the prohibited confiscation of land. Which then lead to the unlawful killing and detention of protestors. I mean how dare those pesky Palestinians dare complain, maybe that was Hamas too.

Maybe amnesty international who released a detauled report into the violations in 2019 are just anti semitic which seems your go to for anyone who dare provide balance to any argument.

The point is yes Hamas are a terrorist organisation and play a massive if not majority role in all this, but to act like Israel have been the sweet an innocent light in the last 75 years is absolute lies. I can at least be honest and say us Jews have treated Palestinians with equal contempt they have to us.

I'm more than happy to be put on ignore, saves me from the low grade youtube propaganda you littered on here

Low grade youtube propaganda? Which videos were they?

 

[dawaxman]

Failing to mention the ICC, ICJ, UN and amnesty International who have for years reported about the flouting of international law and the prohibited confiscation of land. Which then lead to the unlawful killing and detention of protestors. I mean how dare those pesky Palestinians dare complain, maybe that was Hamas too.

Maybe amnesty international who released a detauled report into the violations in 2019 are just anti semitic which seems your go to for anyone who dare provide balance to any argument.

The point is yes Hamas are a terrorist organisation and play a massive if not majority role in all this, but to act like Israel have been the sweet an innocent light in the last 75 years is absolute lies. I can at least be honest and say us Jews have treated Palestinians with equal contempt they have to us.

I'm more than happy to be put on ignore, saves me from the low grade youtube propaganda you littered on here

This amnesty international?:

 

[Grays_1890]

I notice you mention in your post that you're Jewish. Have you ever been to Israel? I'd love to know more about your story if its not too personal - for example, do you have an exit strategy from the UK? Or will you deny your Jewish heritage when they come for you? Do you live in a Jewish area? Have you witnessed any antisemitism yourself? Understand if you won't answer these questions, but I'm genuinely interested as I keep hearing about Jews attending the free Palestine marches but nobody in my network, or their networks etc know anybody that has attended

Final personal question- will you be attending the march against antisemitism next week?

Why would I have an exit strategy from the UK, I'm British, born of a Jewish father who left Israel at 3 with Polish Jewish parents who have long passed who came to the UK.

Who exactly are coming for me? I've never denied my Jewish heritage although I'm not in any slight way religious, I have varying friends from many backgrounds and not experienced anti semitism from them although have from people most furiously at the football which doesn't come as a shock.

I've lived in various places, Grays, Edmonton Green, Canada and now South London.

If you are suggesting that by being objective in my view that we have also treated Palestinians appallingly is somehow denying my heritage or I'm somehow an "uncle tom" then you are way off

 

[Grays_1890]

This amnesty international?:

I'm off for a work appointment, try the 2022 amnesty international report on Israel, it doesn't paint a good picture

Human rights in Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories

Stay up to date on the state of human rights in Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories with the latest research, campaigns and education material from Amnesty International.

www.amnesty.org

 

[dawaxman]

Why would I have an exit strategy from the UK, I'm British, born of a Jewish father who left Israel at 3 with Polish Jewish parents who have long passed who came to the UK.

Who exactly are coming for me? I've never denied my Jewish heritage although I'm not in any slight way religious, I have varying friends from many backgrounds and not experienced anti semitism from them although have from people most furiously at the football which doesn't come as a shock.

I've lived in various places, Grays, Edmonton Green, Canada and now South London.

If you are suggesting that by being objective in my view that we have also treated Palestinians appallingly is somehow denying my heritage or I'm somehow an "uncle tom" then you are way off

Thanks for your response

Will you be attending the antisemitism march?

 

[dawaxman]

I'm off for a work appointment, try the 2022 amnesty international report on Israel, it doesn't paint a good picture

Just read that... its grim reading

The idf clearly aren't saints... which I already was aware of, but I become more entrenched in my views the more there is denial that hamas (and hezbollah and Islamic Jihad etc) is largely responsible for all of this (both pre and post October 7th

I will accept that war is terrible and that people on both sides are doing bad things. But the narrative that this is all Israel's fault must stop. Remove hamas, and then we'll get to see the true colours of Israel

Surely we're agreed on that??

 

[Grays_1890]

Just read that... its grim reading

The idf clearly aren't saints... which I already was aware of, but I become more entrenched in my views the more there is denial that hamas (and hezbollah and Islamic Jihad etc) is largely responsible for all of this (both pre and post October 7th

I will accept that war is terrible and that people on both sides are doing bad things. But the narrative that this is all Israel's fault must stop. Remove hamas, and then we'll get to see the true colours of Israel

Surely we're agreed on that??

Of course we agree on that....

Anyway not being rude I'm literally rushing out the door to get to Sutton for 11

Peace and love to all

 

[dawaxman]

Of course we agree on that....

Anyway not being rude I'm literally rushing out the door to get to Sutton for 11

Peace and love to all

Have a good meeting

When you return or when you next have time, I'd love to hear your answers to my third post today...#1956 in this thread

 

[markysimmo]

Friend to Terrorists

https://x.com/i/web/status/1724169535068979278

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Friend to Terrorists

https://x.com/i/web/status/1724169535068979278

Bet they won't he chatting in the lounges at the Emirates this season.

Meanwhile we have Adele on karaoke while Brannagh recites Shakespeare.

GHod we are so much classier then them lot.

 

[markysimmo]

In other news
Jon Venables one of the utter vile scum who killed little James Bulger is up for parole again today
Spent only 8yrs in jail and has been caught with child porn twice.
Should rot in jail until he dies but will no doubt be let out, given a new identity and live out his days in comfort in a nice warm far away country

 

[AuroRaman]

This is one of the most moving interviews I have ever seen. Dr Izzeldin Abuellaish is a giant of a man with humanity and compassion in his heart that is unrivalled, despite losing so much in this ongoing conflict over the years. I’d urge everyone to take 20 minutes of their time to watch this. It is not Pro-anything or anyone but peace.

https://youtu.be/dBhEhxly00M?si=MUxgVxTY4RcZMoCP

 

[Grays_1890]

In other news
Jon Venables one of the utter vile scum who killed little James Bulger is up for parole again today
Spent only 8yrs in jail and has been caught with child porn twice.
Should rot in jail until he dies but will no doubt be let out, given a new identity and live out his days in comfort in a nice warm far away country

Never looked into the story despite it being a huge one here but what was his background? I mean wasn't he a child when he committed the crimes? Was he a victim himself? Before anyone says I'm not saying anything about that being a valid reason just genuinely interested. Usually these crimes come from past victims or so was in our social and psychologic studies