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Richarlison

Bishop said:
MuanI has directly contributed tona number of Richy's goals so the stats only show a portion of the story.
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Give richy time on the ball and he is toilet
Ask him to hit it first time and he is better than most
It’s the only the way to use him
But he does need others around him for that to work
 
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Bishop said:
MuanI has directly contributed tona number of Richy's goals so the stats only show a portion of the story.
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Right. As is the way with stats. Always.
Why can't you give the guy some credit? No-one is saying he is Kane, or even our long-term answer. But for right now, he is doing what he is paid to do with a degree of consistency; play football matches and score goals.

Muani is a fine player, and personally, I think he improves Richy, Xavi, Kudus and Odobert's games just by being there. He is a high quality player.

My comparison of how Richy is perceived with how Falco was perceived back in the day is pretty accurate BTW. In Richy's last 24 Premier League starts, he has scored 17 goals. Stats can work both ways ;-)
 
DubaiSpur said:
Such a strange player. With his back to goal, the ball bounces off him like his feet are made of sandstone - he can play maybe 1 good pass out of every five.

But he's also a truly gifted poacher, in the sense that he'll be in the right place at the right time and can usually put the ball on target in those situations (though not with any great degree of finesse - not that he needs it given the excellent positions he gets into!).

I think his misfortune is that he's a centre-forward in the era of lone centre-forwards that are expected to do everything. When what he really is, is a poacher - a physical and hard-working one, but still, largely just a souped-up version of, say, Darren Bent from back when.

And that's not a slight on him at all - Bent was a goalscorer, and so is Richy. But given his size, he's typecast as a barnstorming all-aspect centre forward when he really isn't!
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Agreed. If we use him correctly, manage to create chances for him to finish, let him create chaos around him - and have runners/players around him to benefit he's a good player even with his technical shortcomings.

Ask him to hold the ball up and drag us up the pitch against big PL centre backs, ask him to be the creative link man in the pockets and he'll mostly fail.
 
thfcsteff said:
Right. As is the way with stats. Always.
Why can't you give the guy some credit? No-one is saying he is Kane, or even our long-term answer. But for right now, he is doing what he is paid to do with a degree of consistency; play football matches and score goals.

Muani is a fine player, and personally, I think he improves Richy, Xavi, Kudus and Odobert's games just by being there. He is a high quality player.

My comparison of how Richy is perceived with how Falco was perceived back in the day is pretty accurate BTW. In Richy's last 24 Premier League starts, he has scored 17 goals. Stats can work both ways ;-)
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I do give him credit, but as I said in the Brenan Johnson thread I'm not someone who overly rates goals divorced from context and performances. If your only positive is that you can finish tap ins then you need to score them at a seriously high volume for me to be impressed. I don't rate players who rely on others performing at their best to do anything themselves. That leads to situations where if said other players aren't performing the man who only finishes chances is a liability and does not contribute anything themselves.

No disrespect but there are leagues between fudging Falcao in terms of ability and Richarlison. Falcao in his prime, pre injury is not the same man we saw later in the PL.

Edit. Been pointed out you were talking about Mark Falco. Tbh I don't really remember him.
 
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Bishop said:
I do give him credit, but as I said in the Brenan Johnson thread I'm not someone who overly rates goals divorced from context and performances. If your only positive is that you can finish tap ins then you need to score them at a seriously high volume for me to be impressed. I don't rate players who rely on others performing at their best to do anything themselves. That leads to situations where if said other players aren't performing the man who only finishes chances is a liability and does not contribute anything themselves.

No disrespect but there are leagues between fudging Falcao in terms of ability and Richarlison. Falcao in his prime, pre injury is not the same man we saw later in the PL.
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The giving him credit part of your post is you saying "I do give him credit"? Or is that you pointing at some other time you gave him credit?

Also Falco and Falcao are two different footballers.
 
braineclipse said:
The giving him credit part of your post is you saying "I do give him credit"? Or is that you pointing at some other time you gave him credit?

Also Falco and Falcao are two different footballers.
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I've given him credit in the past. I didn't even criticise him to prompt stef's comment. 😂

I didn't pick up on him meaning Falco. 😅
 
DubaiSpur said:
Such a strange player. With his back to goal, the ball bounces off him like his feet are made of sandstone - he can play maybe 1 good pass out of every five.

But he's also a truly gifted poacher, in the sense that he'll be in the right place at the right time and can usually put the ball on target in those situations (though not with any great degree of finesse - not that he needs it given the excellent positions he gets into!).

I think his misfortune is that he's a centre-forward in the era of lone centre-forwards that are expected to do everything. When what he really is, is a poacher - a physical and hard-working one, but still, largely just a souped-up version of, say, Darren Bent from back when.

And that's not a slight on him at all - Bent was a goalscorer, and so is Richy. But given his size, he's typecast as a barnstorming all-aspect centre forward when he really isn't!
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I agree, I think it's clear he's much more effective when playing with someone else (CF like), hence RKM improves him.
 
Raziel said:
I agree, I think it's clear he's much more effective when playing with someone else (CF like), hence RKM improves him.
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Supply
And demand
One helps with the supply by demanding the ball
Means Richy can do what his strength is and that is seeing less of ball but putting it away
Even his goal against Arsenal was one touch
 
Raziel said:
I agree, I think it's clear he's much more effective when playing with someone else (CF like), hence RKM improves him.
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I think RKM helps, but also played well without RKM against Slavia. Us getting up the pitch, not leaving him isolated, creating chances and having movement around him is the key for me. But RKM also helps with those things of course.

Neither Richarlison or RKM are huge strong target men/holdup players for when we do go long. But having the two of them there helps, two targets instead of one (or three instead of two counting Kudus too) and more players around the situations.
 
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