So it's only tory voters that movement of people is no longer a big deal
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- Thread starter markysimmo
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It's still a big deal for everyone, but has fallen into third place last time I checked.
Both parties will leave half of their base feeling betrayed with any kind of Brexit - that's why neither is likely to be able to govern afterwards.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
And exactly why is trying to make a No Deal look like EU inflexibility and a reversal would be on the Commons shoulders
So for all the votes and all the bullsh1t..."nothing has changed" until February. She's off to seek concessions she's been told in advance won't be given.
So if in February, May's deal is basically the same and gets voted down, will Tory Remainers allow no-deal? Some of them have talked of doing 'anything' to avoid it, so we'll see...
So if in February, May's deal is basically the same and gets voted down, will Tory Remainers allow no-deal? Some of them have talked of doing 'anything' to avoid it, so we'll see...
I think there has been some improvement. May now gets to show the EU something that will pass parliament. Until now she and they have been guessing as to what will pass.
The EU can now choose between altering the deal to suit (still a terrible deal for us) and no deal.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
All May has now is brinkmanship, and she's not even very good at it. No deal looks the most likely outcome imo.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The way to play the game would be moving to managed no deal - i.e. say the Withdrawal Agreement is dead if backstop can't be changed to Malthouse, and start actively making unilateral/bilateral arrangements for some of the important things that would be affected by no deal.
We should also publically apply to join NAFTA. The thing the EU fears the most is the US economic sphere turning up on their doorstep. You can't do brinksmanship if you don't have a threat of a worse consequence for them
We should also publically apply to join NAFTA. The thing the EU fears the most is the US economic sphere turning up on their doorstep. You can't do brinksmanship if you don't have a threat of a worse consequence for them
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I think, longer term, that is the absolute worst attitude to have.
Im well aware of the issues it will create, but to "do anything" to avoid it will only end up with us completely hamstrung long term IMO.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
In 2015, car manufacturers invested £2.5bn in the UK. Since then it has fallen ever year and in 2018 was just £589m.
Are there any positive Brexit stories?
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Are there any positive Brexit stories?
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glasgowspur
Nayim
Not true ones, no.
StephenH
David Ginola
The Tories and in particular the ERG have got a lot to answer for. They have got comfortable jobs and fat salaries and many of them 7 figure trustfunds behind them. So they won’t feel any adverse effects from Brexit the self-centred bastards!
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I'd say the opposite. The establishment always want the status quo, because under those conditions they've got all the wealth and power. Revolutionary change comes from those with much less to lose, which is why Brexit is a latest incarnation of the class war
StephenH
David Ginola
More the few like Boris and Mogg appealing to and manipulating the thick who want it to be like the 50's when their parents were still alive. Most of these still think we are in a battle with Germany. They are all stuck in the days of empire.
Yes but they think the status quo is pre rights for European workers - this is what they are trying to get back to.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Is that because the media is biased? Or Brexit benefits are a myth?
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glasgowspur
Nayim
Both.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
It is outstanding, unimaginable, that the nation will commit to something that has no clear benifits that ANYONE can outline, but has a massive list of problems that are obvious.
Furthermore, the brexit the government is trying to deliver is not what was promised during the campaign. To top is all off if we had another vote, I don't think we'd leave; which if true, means at this moment in time Brexit is undemocratic.
Why are we going along with something that has no good news, and no clear benifits?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
Where are we with Brexit?
Not been watching the news.....so fIll me in...a paragraph will do.
Not been watching the news.....so fIll me in...a paragraph will do.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Tory unity is proving slightly stronger than expected; Labour unity rather weaker. Second referendum, A50 revocation or meaningful extension looking less likely; some sort of agreement between now and summer, based on the WA with the PA very much up for grabs, looks pretty likely. Can-kicking will still apply for the transition and the pressure on businesses and on parties to come up with a position won’t end - the economic consequences might start materialising by then, but it will be too late.