The only thing Corbyn will do is consolidate the Conservative vote. People like him scare people - especially people with jobs, houses, families, etc.
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The only thing Corbyn will do is consolidate the Conservative vote. People like him scare people - especially people with jobs, houses, families, etc.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Well I guess we will see, as I have said many times I do not support any party ( unlike some
) I just want to see some honesty come back into politics as there is very little ( if any) around now.
I can agree with that. Can't say I'm overly keen on the likes of Corbyn being involved in politics.Well I guess we will see, as I have said many times I do not support any party ( unlike some
It's not all about conviction - after all, I'm fairly sure (quick swerve around Godwin) ISIS mean what they say and do. They wouldn't make for a great leadership in this country though.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Well to be honest mate I do not care if you agree or not
we are all aware of your devotion to the selfish party.I think it's around 15 million people that chose not to vote for anybody at the last election, many of them young people who tend to get shafted the most by government policies. Corbyn is speaking to a lot of these people. As a bit of anecdotal evidence, there's a 20 year old lad at my work, he didn't vote at the last election and has never voted for anybody. He paid £3 to vote for Corbyn, because he liked what he had to say and believed him when he said it. This kind of thing is good for democracy. The SNP have showed what's possible when you get enough people believing in you, they showed that safe seats aren't set in stone and you can inspire people who wouldn't have otherwise voted, as well as get voters from other parties.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
I think this is very key, it may work as a catalyst for different people in politics ( and that doesn't mean old tweady's like Corbyn) not just clones that have a face that fits
What I don't like is this huge vendetta against him by everyone else associated with Labour near enough, they keep on saying he's wrong etc and can't cut it yet he is getting huge numbers of supporters. I don't agree with all his policies but if people support then then it's a free world and maybe the other candidates should acknowledge this and get with the times and realise what they are offering isn't an alternative their voters are interested in.
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
Well I guess we will see, as I have said many times I do not support any party ( unlike some
Agreed. Would rather Corbyn win than Burnham, he seems like a bit of a yes man.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...hip-most-popular-candidate-voters-all-parties
Jeremy Corbyn is more popular than the other Labour leadership candidates with the wider electorate and fares particularly well with Ukip supporters as well as those from his own party, a Survation poll suggests.
The survey of 1,000 people found that Corbyn scored the highest when they were asked about his personal qualities and which candidate would be the best at holding the government to account as the leader of the opposition.
Among Ukip voters, 39% of them liked him the most, higher than the 38% of Labour voters who said so. But just 22% of Conservatives liked Corbyn, compared with 25% who preferred Andy Burnham.
When asked who would make the best prime minister, Burnham was narrowly ahead with 25%, against 24% for Corbyn, and the two men were tied on 26% on who would be the most likely to win the next general election as Labour leader.
Jeremy Corbyn is more popular than the other Labour leadership candidates with the wider electorate and fares particularly well with Ukip supporters as well as those from his own party, a Survation poll suggests.
The survey of 1,000 people found that Corbyn scored the highest when they were asked about his personal qualities and which candidate would be the best at holding the government to account as the leader of the opposition.
Among Ukip voters, 39% of them liked him the most, higher than the 38% of Labour voters who said so. But just 22% of Conservatives liked Corbyn, compared with 25% who preferred Andy Burnham.
When asked who would make the best prime minister, Burnham was narrowly ahead with 25%, against 24% for Corbyn, and the two men were tied on 26% on who would be the most likely to win the next general election as Labour leader.
Has anyone noticed Bernie Sanders keeps polling higher and higher in the democrat nomination race in America? I thought Hilary was a sure thing, but this guy is getting stronger, it seems. A socialist as leader of the free world? I doubt it, but it doesn't seem as far fetched as it once did.
Richie
Naybet
It's too late for Sanders. If this was happening a couple of years ago then maybe he could make it a contest, but with the first primaries only 6 months away I doubt he will get the support.
More interesting is the Republican primaries. Clinton is very much a beatable candidate for the Republicans, unfortunately for them there is no chance they will nominate somebody who can beat her. They'll choose someone like Ted Cruz who will appeal to their socially conservative base but fail with the wider public.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
It would be incredible...
You know which one is Corbyn, don't you?
Here's an interesting article on the dunce that is leading Corbyn's thought process:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/16/richard_murphy_corbyn_economics/
I don't think his opinions are all that unusual for the left - so many of them treat the basic of economics like the religious treat physics.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/16/richard_murphy_corbyn_economics/
I don't think his opinions are all that unusual for the left - so many of them treat the basic of economics like the religious treat physics.
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
As much as I like Corbyn and his ideals, in the current world his leadership would wreck the economy. Not because it cannot work at all but because there are too many opposing forces that are powerful, to his socialist ideas.
If I was poor and lived up north he would have my vote. But in my world, with a good job, a mortgage, a young family - I will chosoe self preservation over revolution.
If I was poor and lived up north he would have my vote. But in my world, with a good job, a mortgage, a young family - I will chosoe self preservation over revolution.
Corbyn-a-saurus yes I know the one.
My bad - couldn't read the sarcasm in your initial post.
There's a number of issues with having a young politician run for PM.
Firstly, younger people tend to change their political opinions quite quickly - mine have changed massively since I was younger. When I was about 9 or 10 I invented communism and thought it was a wonderful idea (oblivious to the fact that others with a similar level of real world experience had invented it long before me). When I was 17 I thought we lived in a police state where the police were used to stop us properly enjoying ourselves (by that I meant gathering together and taking drugs/listening to music) because if we were allowed to do what we wanted, "the man's" society would crumble. Then I grew up, studied some Economics and realised that the whilst free markets are not the perfect solution, the more we tend towards them, the better society is (to a limit). Now that I've got a kid of my own, my politics lean a little more towards "fudge you, this is mine, keep your grubby fudging mitts off of it".
Then there's the trust issue. Not only does this young person need to be trusted by the electorate - a fairly heavy requirement in itself. They also need to be a heavyweight in political negotiations abroad, with business, unions, etc. If they're too young nobody will take them seriously.
I'm the reverse, I get more left wing the older I get. When I was 14/15, I'd form my political opinions by reading The Sun, which was the paper my dad brought back with him from work. As I got older, I started reading more (Noam Chomsky for example) and getting my news from a wider range of sources. I used to be really interested in economics in my late teens/early 20's, sparked by the simple question of why housing was so expensive.
Before I got fed up with the bullsh1t of it all, I was reading commentaries from both the right and left, warning of the impending debt crash from about 2005 or so (when I was 21). And seeing that play out, with a lot of disingenuous people (politicians/economists) saying that they had "no idea this was gonna happen..." and then thinking of Chomsky's work, and how he talks of 'framing the debate' -- allowing a very lively debate within very narrow parameters -- it just all seems to be a stitch-up, with very little variance of thought between the mainstream media, the political class and the financial elite who run them. And when you see the coverage of a campaign by Corbyn, who is not 'far left,' but has ideas that fly in other western democracies that are less unequal than ours, you see that the media/political/financial bubble that cannot and must not allow any thought outside of the debate that they have framed for us. Moderate ideas are derided as crazy/loony left or whatever. No serious debate can be had unless it sits within the frame that the media/political/financial class have constructed for us all to live within. There are some exceptions, you might get an Owen Jones article in The Guardian, but then you get 10 more articles in the same paper 'warning' us against having thoughts that go outside of the bubble. The message from a so-called left-wing publication isn't so much 'don't rock the boat' as 'don't rock OUR boat...'
Politics should be about policy and if people disagree, then debate the policy. Corbyn surely has his heart in the right place? If the methods are wrong, then debate them. This is why an opposition should actually attempt to oppose the government imo. Widen the debate and like JFK sorta said, instead of seeing things as they are and asking 'why?', see things how they could be and ask 'why not?'