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The party has forgotten the principles of conservatism - that's why they have to live without my donations (probably no skin off their noses whatsoever). But it's not Brexit that's caused that - conservatives should be about small government, low tax, giving opportunities instead of handouts, allowing the markets to do what they're good at and filling in as few gaps as possible.

The EU restricts all of those ideologies.
 
I don't know why MPs need so much holiday. Parliament seems to go on breaks at the same time the schools do, why?
Because most of them, if they're doing their jobs properly, have little or no family life. They're required to be available for both parliament and their constituents which means long hours and a few days of every week in London. Those with school aged children will relish the opportunity to catch up with their families for extended periods.

Going on holiday a few days early to avoid further scrutiny in Parliament is such a b1tch move, phucking laughable.
Agreed, it's pathetic.
 
Because most of them, if they're doing their jobs properly, have little or no family life. They're required to be available for both parliament and their constituents which means long hours and a few days of every week in London. Those with school aged children will relish the opportunity to catch up with their families for extended periods.

Yeah, I suppose that's fair enough (as you say, if they are doing their jobs properly).
 
Just reading something about the EU and Japan signing the biggest ever bilateral trade deal -- I can't pretend to know phuck all about it, but it sounds like a big thing.

But, if we are in a Customs Union, we don't get to sign our own trade deals -- but do we benefit from these big deals the EU does?

If so, then what's so bad about being in a Customs Union? It solves a few problems of Brexit (not all I guess, but a bunch) and you actually get some good stuff out of it.
 
Just reading something about the EU and Japan signing the biggest ever bilateral trade deal -- I can't pretend to know phuck all about it, but it sounds like a big thing.

But, if we are in a Customs Union, we don't get to sign our own trade deals -- but do we benefit from these big deals the EU does?

If so, then what's so bad about being in a Customs Union? It solves a few problems of Brexit (not all I guess, but a bunch) and you actually get some good stuff out of it.

I think it may mean the opposite. I think Turkey had some issues with the deal the EU signed with s korea because it meant that they would have access to the Turkish maket but not visa versa, untill turkey turned its own deal with S korea... I maybe wrong though.
 
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Lisbon shouldn't have been ratified in the same way though. It was a Constitution, not a treaty. It only got renamed a Treaty when the EU realised that it was going to fail to get its own way if the actual people affected by it got a vote.[/QUOTE]

That is a fact.
 
The party has forgotten the principles of conservatism - that's why they have to live without my donations (probably no skin off their noses whatsoever). But it's not Brexit that's caused that - conservatives should be about small government, low tax, giving opportunities instead of handouts, allowing the markets to do what they're good at and filling in as few gaps as possible.

The EU restricts all of those ideologies.

Preach it brother for you speak the truth.
 

A pregnant woman shouldn't have to trundle into Parliament to cast her vote, it's the year 2018 ffs. Bunch of over-grown boy-scouts having to adhere to outdated processes for the sake of it.

All the same, that is absolutely sh1t behaviour by Brandon Lewis. Great example of ethical behaviour set by the party chairman.

*edit* not preggers, but her child is ill and only a couple of weeks old.
 
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What exactly is the problem here? How is it anti-semitic to criticise the state of Israel like you would criticise any sovereign state?
The issue is that it's often used as a thinly veiled way of being anti-Semitic. It's also a problem that the Labour Party sees itself as a better judge of what is and isn't anti-Semitic than a group whose raison d'être is to fight anti-Semitism. Finally, it's more than a little crass to care more about their own right to screech about the Israeli government than the rights of a group of historically oppressed people.

They want to say "I don't mind Jews, but that occupation....." in the same way Trump would say "I don't mind blacks but that crime....."
 
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They want to say "I don't mind Jews, but that occupation....." in the same way Trump would say "I don't mind blacks but that crime....."

Or "if you criticise the actions of the state of Israel, you obviously hate Jews" akin to "if you criticised Idi Amin's Uganda, you obviously hate black people."

Labour has to make sure they get rid of anti-semitic cranks from the party. But we can walk and chew gum at the same time -- this issue is blown up by Corbyn's opponents not because they really think he's the 2nd coming of Hitler, but because they hope to bring him down and get their own faction back in charge of the party. And also, because Corbyn thinks the Palestinians shouldn't be treated so badly by Israel, nothing he says or does will be good enough for the 'Labour friends of Israel' and their associated MPs. For example, when Corbyn spent passover with a Jewish organisation, he was criticised -- as these were simply the wrong type of Jew (ones that were supportive of the Labour Left).

It's like clockwork, Labour goes 5% ahead across various polls and the anti-semitism stuff goes back into the news cycle again.
 
I find these rules rather arbitrary, why would we have to be an EU or EEA member to be involved in something as comprehensive as medicine?

Surely it is in all interests that there are more people all signed up to the same standards, regardless of business?

We are part of Europe, whether or not that includes EU etc. There are some things it just seems rather silly to try and roll up into these organisations.

Security is another, I see absolutely no reason why we cant co operate fully - on both sides, it only makes sense.
 
I find these rules rather arbitrary, why would we have to be an EU or EEA member to be involved in something as comprehensive as medicine?

Surely it is in all interests that there are more people all signed up to the same standards, regardless of business?

We are part of Europe, whether or not that includes EU etc. There are some things it just seems rather silly to try and roll up into these organisations.

Security is another, I see absolutely no reason why we cant co operate fully - on both sides, it only makes sense.
You mean a Europe where the socialist agenda isn't forced upon everyone and people just use it for all the things trade blocs are good at? Where we don't try to enforce economic equivalence on entirely disparate nations? Where people are able to trade like modern nations without having to exclude others or act in a way that is anti-trade?

You're clearly crazy.
 
I must be.

Common sense fails to prevail far to often.

I understand trading restrictions, from a protectionist state. It makes sense, even if I think its flimflam.

But there are things that should be above that, not used as a means to leverage people into/under the EU.
 
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