Shocking on Newsnight re the Morocco/Ceuta/Spain/incident that no one is mentioning how most of the 'migrants' have now returned to Morocco and won't be crossing into the UK (despite still being in North Africa).
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Interesting (and encouraging) in the Manchester mayoral that half of the Tory voters rowed in behind Labour for their second preference, rather than Reform
robp135
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Point missed entirely. Fauci attempted to steer away from lab leak because his the organisation he led funded the research which took place in that lab and others.
Purley in terms of playing the game….not telling lies is typically a good thing. Then tend to catch up with you….and have done here. Even much of the left leaning press have turned on him this week. His reputation is in tatters.
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SteveAWOL
Terry Dyson
The only reason I was already aware of the existence of Ceuta is because of Henning Wehn’s anecdote on Would I Lie To You!
Although I probably shouldn’t mention him on this thread as he was once too an illegal immigrant…
richie_spur
Reto Ziegler
Question 3 should be: why do Spain also conveniently forget about the 2 territories when periodically cutting off Gibraltar to try and reclaim it?
Having been to Gibraltar though, I'm surprised they want it. I was expecting a Mediterranean Southampton or Brighton, not a Hull or Coventry.
thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
What point have I missed? Yours? Oh, apologies, I was unclear there was only one point to be made...
...what proof do you actually have that covid was 100% a lab leak? You speak of it as though it is proven. Look, I might well have missed that proof somewhere, so if I have, please, educate me. You do know that his was not the only 'organisation' funding such research, right? And again, you have a theory which to the best of my knowledge is unproven. He could well have been advised to steer public eyes away from the potential of a lab leak from Wuhan precisely to avoid a public meltdown which could've led to a full-blown diplomatic crisis and so much more.
Well, lies certainly do not catch up with everyone do they.
And I'm sorry, your last sentence is rubbish. Most people see this as a witch hunt designed to pin blame on one person.
I have to say, I find the timing of this whole thing extraordinarily strange...meanwhile, anyone keeping an eye on this strain of ebola which is currently moving beyond outbreak stage? Do we know what it is exactly? Have we confirmed how it works? Is the funding still in place? Honestly, I think there are so many bigger fish to fry...
MartyFunkhouser
Tony Galvin
They were always going to return, this looks like it was a totally manufactured event. No way anyway was swimming the 8 miles over.
The media and a host of scare mongers need to hang their heads on the reporting
ricky2tricky4city
Les Howe
I haven't really looked into it deeply but it had the traits of one of those genZ flash mob SM things descending on Oxford St.
Have any done it with genuine purpose?
They fudged off back when they needed food and drink and the shops and bars weren't open
...Then one has to wonder whether there was any drivers from outside influences who want to exacerbate the so called 'EU migrant' problem.
MartyFunkhouser
Tony Galvin
Apparently it was a reaction to SM, if footage is to be believed, they were driven to the border.I haven't really looked into it deeply but it had the traits of one of those genZ flash mob SM things descending on Oxford St.
Have any done it with genuine purpose?
They fudged off back when they needed food and drink and the shops and bars weren't open
Then one has to wonder whether there was any drivers from outside influences who want to exacerbate the so called 'EU migrant' problem.
Definitely something different happened to cause this than the reported
robp135
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Did Covid originate from the lab which studied noval respiratory Coronavirus in Wuhan? It may have, it may have not. But if we can’t even collectively agree that Fauci tried to cover up the possibility of that, then the basic conditions do not exist to even begin an intelligent discussion.
MartyFunkhouser
Tony Galvin
There was a segment on this on the old wireless this morning. 40 shops a day close in the UK, buying trends have changed (ramped up during Covid), banks closing, more gambling, loans, cheap eats and in general, less reason to be there. I suspect alot of what he and others are seeing is doing to changes in that respect than anything else.
Easy to blame 30 years of decline on one set of people though
Natural or mad made. It killed a hell of alot of people and was very real. Fauci obsession is genuine MAGA/4chan bellend tossery imo
MartyFunkhouser
Tony Galvin
I am still lost with it, Fauci conceded two years ago he was wrong to call people, conspiracy theorists.
Given that multiple depts in America (including intelligence) can't agree still and multiple international science experts can't either, it just seems massively odd to place so much emphasis on one man?
Its RFK acolyte collective idiocy. And we know there are really dim people who think RFK is authority on medicine. And what ever anecdote they invent to support it.
robp135
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Because new information has been discovered, via his diary which was on his government computer and then emailed it to himself, which contradicted statements he had made to the public, to government officials and in these hearings.
There have been a few different theories (guesses) as to why but the main ones seem to be a) that it was the Moroccan government (or king - maybe the same thing?) doing some flexing because Sanchez met recently with his Algerian counterpart and Morocco didn’t like that. Apparently similar has happened before; and b) similar to the above but with the involvement of Netanyahu (and possibly the US) - Morocco and Israel have very good relations. Netanyahu is angry at Spain’s stance on Palestine and Israel. (Plus Trump is against Spain as well), so it was all engineered to embarrass Sanchez and cause friction.
The latter is likely far fetched (although who knows these days).
I saw today that Sanchez had blamed it on traffickers. I think it would be a tremendous feat for traffickers to pull off something like that!
robp135
Eidur Gudjohnsen
If you want to make it about RFK & MAGA.
RFK now in charge of running all the laboratories where GOF is still happening and determining where funding goes outside the US.
Pete Hegseth is now in charge of military anthrax and all the Bio Weapons the US has illegally developed via the same loopholes Fauci used.
We should be extremely concerned about this. Yet we cannot even admit it’s happening because…..it would make Fauci look bad.
MartyFunkhouser
Tony Galvin
A load of butt hurt people because he called them conspiracy theorists. That seems to be the long or short of it.
No.
robp135
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Fixed.