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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

LutonSpurs said:
If they don't decide which way they want to go they are done. Centrism currently is dead and buried.
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Modern politics is less about where they stand and more about who they appeal to.

They've lost the working classes for a generation. The middle class won't vote for them until they show some kind of economic credibility. They've lost the "don't need to work" classes to any pro-Palestinian party.

I think they're fudged for at least a generation.
 
scaramanga said:
Modern politics is less about where they stand and more about who they appeal to.

They've lost the working classes for a generation. The middle class won't vote for them until they show some kind of economic credibility. They've lost the "don't need to work" classes to any pro-Palestinian party.

I think they're fudged for at least a generation.
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Is pro Palestine/anti Israel a “don’t need to work” crowd issue?
 
robp135 said:
I don’t really agree with your last part but….thats to be expected 🤣
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As a business owner in the UK mate I can tell you 100% thay the Iran war has not only eaten into my profits but also raised my expenses (living and business). You don't have to agree but living in the US I don't....respectfully....expect you to have a grasp on what both are doing to UK business and cost of living
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
As a business owner in the UK mate I can tell you 100% thay the Iran war has not only eaten into my profits but also raised my expenses. You don't have to agree but living in the US I don't....respectfully....expect you to have a grasp on what both are doing to UK business and cost of living
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My grasp is fine. I just think mass unenforced immigration has a greater impact.
 
robp135 said:
My grasp is fine. I just think mass unenforced immigration has a greater impact.
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But it hasn't to anyone doing anything that involves incoming and outgoing business.

Mass immigration hasn't knocked £750,000 off my profits in 6 months

Mass immigrations hasn't increased the cost of travel x4

Mass immigrations hasn't put the price of basic provisions like bread, butter, chicken and fish through the roof

I get its caused some issues to population and inventory on housing and the NHS, but its not the reason that cost of living is now through the rough........or fuel costs.......

Brexit, Ukraine, Israel and Iran ..... Trump Tariffs have had the greatest impact on UK living quality from salary to pocket and its not even close
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I'm sure there are bad ones in all parties. But I've only heard Reform boasting that they have the best vetting system of any of the parties.
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with the almost 1,500 seats won this week they will come under more and more scrutiny and will have to really get things sorted and soon
as they will be hammered and rightly so by other parties and members of the public if week in week out wronguns are revealed
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
see Iran and Ukraine for 2 of the major issues impacting here
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Imagine if we could wean off oil even quicker than 2040. Then we wouldnt need to care about any of those despots

Spain are kicking back and having a ball at the moment because they are much closer to that green energy security future than we are, so are no longer prone to these type of economic shocks
 
Gazza said:
What makes me question is no one on this forum as of yet can actually address the real fact that Reform have gone from 2 councillors to nearly 1,500 whilst Labour have lost nearly 1,500. How and why has this happened? Is anyone surprised? I am not.

While the left happy bunch have pushed their stupidity and kept pushing and pushing they finally got a reaction, a strong one of that.

It's like no one actually wants to acknowledge the numbers? Rather just to say it’s down to racism without looking beyond the simpleton response. That’s not washing anymore is it?

Labour/Tories are finding out the hard way, the greens are incompetent and we are left with Reform crushing it. It’s actually unbelievable. Tell me how you really feel.
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The problem is that this Labour party are miles away from being remotely left wing. They are centre right if anything. So none of the above makes sense to me.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Imagine if we could wean off oil even quicker than 2040. Then we wouldnt need to care about any of those despots

Spain are kicking back and having a ball at the moment because they are much closer to that green energy security future than we are, so are no longer prone to these type of economic shocks
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There is certainly a middle ground there. The Net Zero race is too quick for some, but there is no finite amount of traditional energy about, as the Iran War proves.

Also, you might think that modernisation and forward thinking on re skilling and future proofing jobs might be a good idea
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
There is certainly a middle ground there. The Net Zero race is too quick for some, but there is no finite amount of traditional energy about, as the Iran War proves.

Also, you might think that modernisation and forward thinking on re skilling and future proofing jobs might be a good idea
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Its only too quick for those in the pockets of the oil lobby. Infrastructure investment is good for the economy short-term, as well as long. We could have a 5-year national mission to build a clean, secure and self-sufficient future. Just solve energy for good for everyone

I definitely agree about the skills and jobs
 
scaramanga said:
Modern politics is less about where they stand and more about who they appeal to.

They've lost the working classes for a generation. The middle class won't vote for them until they show some kind of economic credibility. They've lost the "don't need to work" classes to any pro-Palestinian party.

I think they're fudged for at least a generation.
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Same with the Tories. They've lost the middle classes and the working classes they gained when they last won. It's hardly a Labour problem. It's a centrist problem.
 
LutonSpurs said:
The problem is that this Labour party are miles away from being remotely left wing. They are centre right if anything. So none of the above makes sense to me.
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Centre right? I’m truly lost here.

And on a side note, I’ve noticed that you have grown up a little and not claiming everything is racist or calling people names, or trying to belittle those that don’t agree with your narrative. Well done.

What are your genuine thoughts about reform currently mopping up everything like a janitor on double pay?
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
But it hasn't to anyone doing anything that involves incoming and outgoing business.

Mass immigration hasn't knocked £750,000 off my profits in 6 months

Mass immigrations hasn't increased the cost of travel x4

Mass immigrations hasn't put the price of basic provisions like bread, butter, chicken and fish through the roof

I get its caused some issues to population and inventory on housing and the NHS, but its not the reason that cost of living is now through the rough........or fuel costs.......

Brexit, Ukraine, Israel and Iran ..... Trump Tariffs have had the greatest impact on UK living quality from salary to pocket and its not even close
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Your not working class are you. Thats who we’ve been talking about.
 
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