Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Grays_1890]

Yes the Epping situation is toxic and given what has happened there (or I should say alleged to have happened there as the trial is ongoing) it’s not surprising that there is local concern. But it’s been hijacked for purely political purposes and it’s only gong to get worse. The irony is we actually have a government that is trying to tackle the issue, unlike the last government which was happy to use it as a political football.

You can't have a conversation when monetary social media oiks like Brooks and Tuffs hijack it.

This is where I struggle.....I don't think I am more intelligent than other as claimed on here,,,,,,,,,,,but I can see a grifter who is laying it on more. THe only winners of the Epping situation are those that have monetised it

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

The tories are done. Who cares who their leader is. Total irrelevance. Unfortunately the failure to deal with immigration for 30 years has meant the government have run out of road. People were promised clamp down on illegal migration and net legal migration in the 10s of thousands over 15 years ago. The can has been kicked down the road to the point that blood is boiling. As far as this issue is concerned, people are sick of Labour, even sicker of the tories and I was watching Rory S and Aly Campbell podcast and they made the point that Labour didnt say in their manifesto and election campaign, "this is a big, complex problem and it will take time to sort out", they said "we are going to come in, smash the gangs, and stop the boats" and instead we've seen record numbers and arriving.

Despite the numbers of those in hotels actually reducing under Labour the hotel issue has become symbolic for people...as in, you're taking these people, giving them money, putting them up in a nice warm hotel for free, giving them legal advice and assistance with their Asylum Claims and meanwhile there are people living in sh*thouse housing going to food banks and scraping money together to put beans on toast on the table after a hard day's shift and it boils people's pi**

 

[Baleforce]

An important side note on hotels, their use isn’t solely for asylum seekers, they are also temporary accommodation for victims of domestic abuse, and often their children.

They must be living in increased fear, both of the violence outside, and also having their location revealed by social media posts.

 

[johnola]

An important side note on hotels, their use isn’t solely for asylum seekers, they are also temporary accommodation for victims of domestic abuse, and often their children.

They must be living in increased fear, both of the violence outside, and also having their location revealed by social media posts.

Yeah hotels like to keep their locations secret.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

An important side note on hotels, their use isn’t solely for asylum seekers, they are also temporary accommodation for victims of domestic abuse, and often their children.

They must be living in increased fear, both of the violence outside, and also having their location revealed by social media posts.

Hmm. Are they normally mixed though!? I thought hotels housing asylum seekers were just for asylum seekers. If there’s evidence they are being used to shelter victims of domestic abuse as well then I would have an Issue with that given that victims of domestic abuse are largely women and they don’t need to be accommodated in premises holding 100+ males.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Despite the numbers of those in hotels actually reducing under Labour the hotel issue has become symbolic for people...as in, you're taking these people, giving them money, putting them up in a nice warm hotel for free, giving them legal advice and assistance with their Asylum Claims and meanwhile there are people living in sh*thouse housing going to food banks and scraping money together to put beans on toast on the table after a hard day's shift and it boils people's pi**

This is people's problem. Always comparing themselves (or their lives) to someone else. Everything is possible in this country, depending on the effort you put in, how you operate, and the decisions YOU make. Yeah, there's probably some luck, sometimes.
I never think of what someone else has got, what's the point?..Most likely it ends in envy, jealousy and bitterness. Focussing on yourself is much more productive, but of course, can be painful sometimes.
The asylum seekers don't control what the government give them, or provide for them., so to hate, abuse or burn them is misguided. There must be another reason ?
.

 

[glasgowspur]

Yeah hotels like to keep their locations secret.

I think he means the victims of domestic abuse.
Last thing they need is being spotted in a news report and their abuser finding out where they are.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Yeah hotels like to keep their locations secret.

Have a read of what he said maybe mate.

 

[Baleforce]

Hmm. Are they normally mixed though!? I thought hotels housing asylum seekers were just for asylum seekers. If there’s evidence they are being used to shelter victims of domestic abuse as well then I would have an Issue with that given that victims of domestic abuse are largely women and they don’t need to be accommodated in premises holding 100+ males.

I don’t know if it’s normal, but it’s certainly the case in one I know of.

 

[Gutter Boy]

The tories are done. Who cares who their leader is. Total irrelevance. Unfortunately the failure to deal with immigration for 30 years has meant the government have run out of road. People were promised clamp down on illegal migration and net legal migration in the 10s of thousands over 15 years ago. The can has been kicked down the road to the point that blood is boiling. As far as this issue is concerned, people are sick of Labour, even sicker of the tories and I was watching Rory S and Aly Campbell podcast and they made the point that Labour didnt say in their manifesto and election campaign, "this is a big, complex problem and it will take time to sort out", they said "we are going to come in, smash the gangs, and stop the boats" and instead we've seen record numbers and arriving.

Despite the numbers of those in hotels actually reducing under Labour the hotel issue has become symbolic for people...as in, you're taking these people, giving them money, putting them up in a nice warm hotel for free, giving them legal advice and assistance with their Asylum Claims and meanwhile there are people living in sh*thouse housing going to food banks and scraping money together to put beans on toast on the table after a hard day's shift and it boils people's pi**

Legal migration is what effects people by far the most. Illegal migration is a drop in the ocean.

A lot of legal migration is great - highly skilled workers, Xavi Simons, students, spouses, asylum seekers etc. The big issue over the last 20 years though has been allowing social dumping of low wage workers. This is what has killed wages, seen chucks of the working classes written off, and cause some of the social tensions that are rising. This is what needs severely capping. But neo-liberalism and their government puppets wont ever allow that

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Despite the state of the economy this will be the issue that will decided the next election, whatever Labour do or plan to do there is not enough time to make a major impact on the increasing numbers. There's no humane solutions to the problem and people living in areas where they see it as a problem are being pushed to right wing groups to express their fears (real or imaginary) as 3 major parties don't want to be seen as racist.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

The whole situation really scares me to be honest.
So much uninformed - or perhaps better stated as misdirected - hatred.
We have a horrible few years ahead of us. I just hope this government can get a handle on things without having to pander to Reform and the extremists.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Despite the state of the economy this will be the issue that will decided the next election, whatever Labour do or plan to do there is not enough time to make a major impact on the increasing numbers. There's no humane solutions to the problem and people living in areas where they see it as a problem are being pushed to right wing groups to express their fears (real or imaginary) as 3 major parties don't want to be seen as racist.

Exactly. Tories and Labour are finished over this issue. It is the number one priority of the public and Labour created the issue in the first place with an admitted deliverate mass immigration policy as a short-cut to cover training gaps and Labour shortages and the tories kicked the can down the road over successive governments. It is like sewerage. The problem has been left to the point where only shocking and drastic measures are going to make a meaningful impact on the problem in a time frame that people will really notice and the only party willing to publically contemplate those measures are Reform. And that is why they're 8 points clear in the polls.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Legal migration is what effects people by far the most. Illegal migration is a drop in the ocean.

A lot of legal migration is great - highly skilled workers, Xavi Simons, students, spouses, asylum seekers etc. The big issue over the last 20 years though has been allowing social dumping of low wage workers. This is what has killed wages, seen chucks of the working classes written off, and cause some of the social tensions that are rising. This is what needs severely capping. But neo-liberalism and their government puppets wont ever allow that

Yeah legal immigration is by far a larger issue and actually is the reason why imo Labour and Tories are really goosed on this issue. Even if Starmer's mob get on top of the boats issue, Farage will simply and calmly move the topic onto legal net migration which he has already laid the ground work for.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I don’t know if it’s normal, but it’s certainly the case in one I know of.

I very much doubt they are housing DV victims and CSE victims in the same hotels there are generally specially designated hotels and guest houses for those but I really dont know anymore. Some of the pressures within the system mean that f*cking anything could happen. The whole system is f*cked and society is f*cked as well.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Yeah legal immigration is by far a larger issue and actually is the reason why imo Labour and Tories are really goosed on this issue. Even if Starmer's mob get on top of the boats issue, Farage will simply and calmly move the topic onto legal net migration which he has already laid the ground work for.

But legal immigration doesn't require a plan per se....Brexit has put it fully within your control.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

This is people's problem. Always comparing themselves (or their lives) to someone else. Everything is possible in this country, depending on the effort you put in, how you operate, and the decisions YOU make. Yeah, there's probably some luck, sometimes.
I never think of what someone else has got, what's the point?..Most likely it ends in envy, jealousy and bitterness. Focussing on yourself is much more productive, but of course, can be painful sometimes.
The asylum seekers don't control what the government give them, or provide for them., so to hate, abuse or burn them is misguided. There must be another reason ?
.

I don't think its a jealousy thing i think it's an anger thing and that people are scared. They see boatloads of strange men rocking up from very different backgrounds and cultures and they know we don't know who these people are and they know they're working with criminal gangs and they know you cannot tell who is a legitimate refugee and who is a foreign criminal or terrorist. Some of these people actually claim asylum here BECAUSE they've been convicted of murder or rape in their home country and they face the death penalty and under the law as it currently stands that actually makes them a legitimate refugee and means we are unable to return them. And because they haven't been convicted of anything here we release them onto the streets. These cases actually happen and regularly. It is the anger and fear. People dont feel like their government and their authorities are keeping them safe.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

But legal immigration doesn't require a plan per se....Brexit has put it fully within your control.

It does require a plan because for example, the NHS has repurposed itself to rely on imported already qualified doctors. So much so that the BMA have cited in their recent strike action the fact that there are not enough training places for graduates from medical school. Reversing that situation would require a plan and take years to implement.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

My brother in law (a staunch Tory) and has retired to Littlehampton is committed to vote Reform at any election due to their stand on immigration, the only not white people I've ever seen when we visit are the staff in local Indian and Chinese restaurants. He doesn't see the irony that he's Irish and been a tax dodger all his working life.

 

[Gutter Boy]

But legal immigration doesn't require a plan per se....Brexit has put it fully within your control.

You have to fill the training and salary gap.

If you say - no more immigrants for the hospitality and agriculture industries, you have to skill and pay the wages to get the existing working class into those roles.

You also probably need to cancel student loans (and fees), to get that traditional source of part-time/seasonal labour back into those industries

That all will require a little shock. Its undoing 20 years of social dumping and industries dependent on labour that undercuts UK workers' expectations of pay and conditions