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Lilbaz said:
Population went up. Demand went up. Prices went up.
If the demand for cars went up. Then ford would get investment and open a new factory.
Household use is only about 3-5% of the water the country uses.
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Ford invest in new factories so they can meet demand, sell more cars and make more money. Thames Water weren't going to make more money by investing huge amounts in infrastructure upgrades to increase capacity. Because the cost of water bills is capped.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Ford invest in new factories so they can meet demand, sell more cars and make more money. Thames Water weren't going to make more money by investing huge amounts in infrastructure upgrades to increase capacity. Because the cost of water bills is capped.
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They signed up to it. It was up to them to make it work as agreed. If not sell. If they can't sell nationalise.
 
Lilbaz said:
They signed up to it. It was up to them to make it work as agreed. If not sell. If they can't sell nationalise.
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They did make it work as agreed. The agreement was to run it on behalf of the government at the status quo level and invest to modernise and build efficiency at a tactical local level. Strategic investment was not part of the deal.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
They did make it work as agreed. The agreement was to run it on behalf of the government at the status quo level and invest to modernise and build efficiency at a tactical local level. Strategic investment was not part of the deal.
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So why was thames water fined £122m? Yorkshire £47m? Northumbrisn £17m?
 
Lilbaz said:
So why was thames water fined £122m? Yorkshire £47m? Northumbrisn £17m?
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Because similarly to how private rail companies are fined when services are late, water companies are fined for sewerage discharges. That doesnt change the reality of why trains are late and sewerage gets discharged - the crumbling/aging architecture the infrastructures are built on the modernisation of which is outside the remit and ability of private operators to remedy.

Let's put this a different way: do you think if all these companies were nationalised that the discharges will stop? Even after say 10 years after nationalisation? Not without one of the biggest infrastructure projects ever undertaken in this country is the answer.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Because similarly to how private rail companies are fined when services are late, water companies are fined for sewerage discharges. That doesnt change the reality of why trains are late and sewerage gets discharged - the crumbling/aging architecture the infrastructures are built on the modernisation of which is outside the remit and ability of private operators to remedy.

Let's put this a different way: do you think if all these companies were nationalised that the discharges will stop? Even after say 10 years after nationalisation? Not without one of the biggest infrastructure projects ever undertaken in this country is the answer.
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Not the criminals fault they commit crime. It's societies. They're the real victims.

Not for me.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
They did make it work as agreed. The agreement was to run it on behalf of the government at the status quo level and invest to modernise and build efficiency at a tactical local level. Strategic investment was not part of the deal.
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They made it work to the tune of starting out with zero debt to now running in the red at £17bn of debt (Thames). Furthermore, to your assertion of a 11m increase in population, let's say 3m of that live in the Thames water area...then I have 3m more customers paying me and I've not had to provide any major structural upgrades ie just plumbing them in to existing systems but happy to take their money.

I feel these companies have not taken their role seriously. For them it's all been a vehicle....and we know what for.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Because similarly to how private rail companies are fined when services are late, water companies are fined for sewerage discharges. That doesnt change the reality of why trains are late and sewerage gets discharged - the crumbling/aging architecture the infrastructures are built on the modernisation of which is outside the remit and ability of private operators to remedy.

Let's put this a different way: do you think if all these companies were nationalised that the discharges will stop? Even after say 10 years after nationalisation? Not without one of the biggest infrastructure projects ever undertaken in this country is the answer.
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So, what are saying is, money is needed to be invested into infrastructure.
If only there was some £££ knocking about that could go towards that.....
 
Glenda's Legs said:
The people of Epping (and beyond) protest to have migrants moved from a local hotel to another area.

Migrants are moved to another hotel in a different area.

Protesters : oh no, you can’t move them there, it’s better than the hotel here.
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The protest was regarding a sexual assault. Not about what hotel they stay in. They want them deported full stop.
 
Lilbaz said:
The protest was regarding a sexual assault. Not about what hotel they stay in. They want them deported full stop.
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No. The petition that has been set up by local people is specifically requesting that the government cease to use two Epping hotels for the placement of migrants, to cease placing migrants in small towns (and specifically mentions that Epping has previously had issues with Far Right organisations) and to properly consult local councils before placing migrants in any particular area. No mention of deportations.
The sexual assault case has sparked the protests. This widened from locals to people coming in from other areas which is where most of the deportation calls (although not all I am sure) are coming from.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
No. The petition that has been set up by local people is specifically requesting that the government cease to use two Epping hotels for the placement of migrants, to cease placing migrants in small towns (and specifically mentions that Epping has previously had issues with Far Right organisations) and to properly consult local councils before placing migrants in any particular area. No mention of deportations.
The sexual assault case has sparked the protests. This widened from locals to people coming in from other areas which is where most of the deportation calls (although not all I am sure) are coming from.
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"On Sunday, more than 100 demonstrators assembled there, with some chanting “save our kids” and holding signs saying “deport foreign criminals”, “we go home when they go back” and “defend our girls”.

There have been a series of protests outside the hotel since 38-year-old asylum seeker Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu was charged with sexual assault following an incident where he is alleged to have attempted to kiss a 14-year-old girl."

uk.news.yahoo.com

What we know about Epping asylum hotel protests

The cost of policing protests outside the Bell Hotel in Epping has reached six figures, according to Essex Police.
uk.news.yahoo.com uk.news.yahoo.com
 
I keep reading that inflation rising in the UK is a "surprise":
www.bbc.co.uk

Food bills on course to rise by £275 a year as prices jump

Households are trading down or making simpler meals to save money on groceries, research shows.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

It was nailed on, as soon as the government landed their employers NI policy, workers rights and minimum wage reforms and closed domestic fossil fuel production leaving us reliant on energy imports at a time when we refuse to buy from Europe's largest energy producer.

The government haven't been honest about the consequences of these policies, hard economic sanctions on Russia, soft economic sanctions on China and winding down domestic oil & gas production. Some of these policies have been landed unannounced on business causing short term reaction.

Its a mess of our own making and its hurting us all.
 
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