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Craig_J said:
All I know is in 2010 a party came to power promising that if we buckled our belts, accepted we were in hard times - then the economy would recover and we’d be back on our feet. That they were the ones to provide the stability we’d need.


15 years later the people in this country - having buckled their belts and accepting cuts in every arena that makes our society - are worse off than they were before.

If you cut every single public service at once and don’t invest anything at all for a generation you’ll find on the other end a society in decay. With a more expensive repair bill to fix all the rot then there would have been to simply maintain what was. Britain is in decay. Every public institution is worse off than it was before. I challenge anyone who disagrees to find a single part of society that’s now better than it was in 2010.


Local councils are cut, doctor and hospitals waiting times are through the roof, there’s not enough police to patrol, there’s not enough community centres to facilitate any sense of community. Prices are more expensive than they have ever been. For food, water, electricity, transport, housing.

All that suffering could be (very, very debatably and only through a Scara ethics lens) permissible if the promise the government made was achieved. To create growth.

It did not. It has not. It will never.

Austerity doesn’t work. It’s a failed project. Austerity doesn’t create growth. It is anti-growth in every sense of the word.

You need investment to grow. A business doesn't grow without investment. A plant doesn't grow without water. You can't deduct from everything and expect a return.

But we can at least rejoice that in 9 months from now the government that's stagnated the economy, destroyed our international standing - all the while putting the most disadvantaged through needless harm - will be out the door.

NINE MORE MONTHS.

Then the biggest repair job our country has faced in 3/4 of a century can begin.

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I agree with pretty much all of that. the Tories have pretty much Fücked this country.

Anyone that votes for them in the general election… really doesn’t care about this country.
 
Craig_J said:
All I know is in 2010 a party came to power promising that if we buckled our belts, accepted we were in hard times - then the economy would recover and we’d be back on our feet. That they were the ones to provide the stability we’d need.


15 years later the people in this country - having buckled their belts and accepting cuts in every arena that makes our society - are worse off than they were before.

If you cut every single public service at once and don’t invest anything at all for a generation you’ll find on the other end a society in decay. With a more expensive repair bill to fix all the rot then there would have been to simply maintain what was. Britain is in decay. Every public institution is worse off than it was before. I challenge anyone who disagrees to find a single part of society that’s now better than it was in 2010.


Local councils are cut, doctor and hospitals waiting times are through the roof, there’s not enough police to patrol, there’s not enough community centres to facilitate any sense of community. Prices are more expensive than they have ever been. For food, water, electricity, transport, housing.

All that suffering could be (very, very debatably and only through a Scara ethics lens) permissible if the promise the government made was achieved. To create growth.

It did not. It has not. It will never.

Austerity doesn’t work. It’s a failed project. Austerity doesn’t create growth. It is anti-growth in every sense of the word.

You need investment to grow. A business doesn't grow without investment. A plant doesn't grow without water. You can't deduct from everything and expect a return.

But we can at least rejoice that in 9 months from now the government that's stagnated the economy, destroyed our international standing - all the while putting the most disadvantaged through needless harm - will be out the door.

NINE MORE MONTHS.

Then the biggest repair job our country has faced in 3/4 of a century can begin.

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It does look and feel like the country wants a change and Labour will get in. I won’t celebrate till it happens tbh, the tories always seem to do badly in the polls but still trounce Labour when it matters in the election. I’ve heard people describe liberals as the accelerator and the conservatives as the brakes, falls in line with what you said, I think we need the accelerator right now.
 
Jurgen the German said:
It does look and feel like the country wants a change and Labour will get in. I won’t celebrate till it happens tbh, the tories always seem to do badly in the polls but still trounce Labour when it matters in the election. I’ve heard people describe liberals as the accelerator and the conservatives as the brakes, falls in line with what you said, I think we need the accelerator right now.
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Honestly, if the Tories win the next election, after overseeing the last 14 years, it might be worth looking for an alternative country to move to. Not just because they'll still be in charge but the unsettling thought that a majority of people you'll be living amongst thought it was a good idea.
 
Jurgen the German said:
It does look and feel like the country wants a change and Labour will get in. I won’t celebrate till it happens tbh, the tories always seem to do badly in the polls but still trounce Labour when it matters in the election. I’ve heard people describe liberals as the accelerator and the conservatives as the brakes, falls in line with what you said, I think we need the accelerator right now.
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That was when the Tories had a reputation for competence. They were always known as being competent but evil (compared to Labour's well-intentioned but incompetent).
But now after Covid, Truss and the crumbling national infrastructure, they have nowhere to go. Incompetent and evil.
 
Craig_J said:
All I know is in 2010 a party came to power promising that if we buckled our belts, accepted we were in hard times - then the economy would recover and we’d be back on our feet. That they were the ones to provide the stability we’d need.


15 years later the people in this country - having buckled their belts and accepting cuts in every arena that makes our society - are worse off than they were before.

If you cut every single public service at once and don’t invest anything at all for a generation you’ll find on the other end a society in decay. With a more expensive repair bill to fix all the rot then there would have been to simply maintain what was. Britain is in decay. Every public institution is worse off than it was before. I challenge anyone who disagrees to find a single part of society that’s now better than it was in 2010.


Local councils are cut, doctor and hospitals waiting times are through the roof, there’s not enough police to patrol, there’s not enough community centres to facilitate any sense of community. Prices are more expensive than they have ever been. For food, water, electricity, transport, housing.

All that suffering could be (very, very debatably and only through a Scara ethics lens) permissible if the promise the government made was achieved. To create growth.

It did not. It has not. It will never.

Austerity doesn’t work. It’s a failed project. Austerity doesn’t create growth. It is anti-growth in every sense of the word.

You need investment to grow. A business doesn't grow without investment. A plant doesn't grow without water. You can't deduct from everything and expect a return.

But we can at least rejoice that in 9 months from now the government that's stagnated the economy, destroyed our international standing - all the while putting the most disadvantaged through needless harm - will be out the door.

NINE MORE MONTHS.

Then the biggest repair job our country has faced in 3/4 of a century can begin.

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It's actually worse than that... The maths were wrong in the first place.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749807671941931260
 
Craig_J said:
All I know is in 2010 a party came to power promising that if we buckled our belts, accepted we were in hard times - then the economy would recover and we’d be back on our feet. That they were the ones to provide the stability we’d need.


15 years later the people in this country - having buckled their belts and accepting cuts in every arena that makes our society - are worse off than they were before.

If you cut every single public service at once and don’t invest anything at all for a generation you’ll find on the other end a society in decay. With a more expensive repair bill to fix all the rot then there would have been to simply maintain what was. Britain is in decay. Every public institution is worse off than it was before. I challenge anyone who disagrees to find a single part of society that’s now better than it was in 2010.


Local councils are cut, doctor and hospitals waiting times are through the roof, there’s not enough police to patrol, there’s not enough community centres to facilitate any sense of community. Prices are more expensive than they have ever been. For food, water, electricity, transport, housing.

All that suffering could be (very, very debatably and only through a Scara ethics lens) permissible if the promise the government made was achieved. To create growth.

It did not. It has not. It will never.

Austerity doesn’t work. It’s a failed project. Austerity doesn’t create growth. It is anti-growth in every sense of the word.

You need investment to grow. A business doesn't grow without investment. A plant doesn't grow without water. You can't deduct from everything and expect a return.

But we can at least rejoice that in 9 months from now the government that's stagnated the economy, destroyed our international standing - all the while putting the most disadvantaged through needless harm - will be out the door.

NINE MORE MONTHS.

Then the biggest repair job our country has faced in 3/4 of a century can begin.

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Great post - agree with it all…except to say that they’ll be gone within 7 months tops. Most of the ever-shrinking number of people who would vote for them won’t come out of their homes to vote in Winter. I’d bet on October for the GE.
 
Dark days for Scotland if they're about to get a religious nutjob for First Minister. Kate Forbes opposes homosexuality, abortion and just sex outside of marriage in general. So a bit right of the Taliban!
 
Gutter Boy said:
Dark days for Scotland if they're about to get a religious nutjob for First Minister. Kate Forbes opposes homosexuality, abortion and just sex outside of marriage in general. So a bit right of the Taliban!
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Er, we've just lost a religious nut job for first minister who got around voting for same sex marriage by arranging to be out of the country.
One thing Scotland is not short of is religious nut jobs, we have them in all shapes, sizes, sexes and political hues.
 
glasgowspur said:
Er, we've just lost a religious nut job for first minister who got around voting for same sex marriage by arranging to be out of the country.
One thing Scotland is not short of is religious nut jobs, we have them in all shapes, sizes, sexes and political hues.
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The marketing as a modern progressive nation has obviously been powerful (and sadly it seems a mirage). I don't care about the protestant/catholic/muslim/jewish/whatever nonsense. But things like gay rights and abortion rights are just basic universal human values that should be well above religion.

I also remember being taken aback by the levels of puritanical alcohol abstinence, again in contradiction to the external public perception. There are whole parts of the north of the country with just no pubs.
 
Gutter Boy said:
The marketing as a modern progressive nation has obviously been powerful (and sadly it seems a mirage). I don't care about the protestant/catholic/muslim/jewish/whatever nonsense. But things like gay rights and abortion rights are just basic universal human values that should be well above religion.

I also remember being taken aback by the levels of puritanical alcohol abstinence, again in contradiction to the external public perception. There are whole parts of the north of the country with just no pubs.
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It's very complicated politically and extremely long.
Those on the "left" that appear to want a progressive society actually just want what they want and fudge what anyone else says.
They are trying to ram through ill thought out legislation that is deeply unpopular and some of it's driven by some very dodgy characters.
In all honesty it's become purely about lining the pockets of the politicians. You only need to look at the two "green" ministers to see that.

The alcohol is mainly a central belt issue.
There's little pockets elsewhere rurally, Campbeltown and Fraserburgh for instance but cheap drugs are now a big issue in Campbeltown.
 
DTA said:
I agree with pretty much all of that. the Tories have pretty much Fücked this country.

Anyone that votes for them in the general election… really doesn’t care about this country.
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Hope lots of people make the effort to go out on Thursday to tell them they're gonna get their arses handed to them next general.

15 years of gross mismanagement cannot pass by unanswered
 
Craig_J said:
Hope lots of people make the effort to go out on Thursday to tell them they're gonna get their arses handed to them next general.

15 years of gross mismanagement cannot pass by unanswered
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I would still see today about being tactical voting. I'll vote Labour at the GE, but today I went Green with the intention of giving them a jolt about turning into Pink Tories (recent shifting right on issues such as nationalisation, environment, gig economy, spending etc.).
 
Time for the unelected squatter in Downing Street to p i s s off to Silicon Valley. It couldn’t be clearer that’s what the country wants.
 
Poor little Tory’s couldn’t even manage runners up 🤣

Next year PMQs could be Starmer versus Davey.

Tory party sat in a quiet backbench corner and reminding everyone they made our passports blue.
 
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