Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Gazza]

So do you have a concern or not?

About the trans community in general no. But I do have reservations about participating in gender specific sport competitions.

Is there data on 'trans crimes' in toilets?

I’m not saying anything about crimes, I’m talking about feeling comfortable about a bloke who identifies as a female going to the ladies. I have a young daughter and I have reservations.

Do you mean mixed sex when you suggest gender neutral toilets?

Yes

Are female toilets always desperate cubicles with a lockable door?

I would presume so.

 

[LutonSpurs]

I assume you mean separate rather than desperate? Although thinking about it...you could be right.

Lol it's a great typo

 

[Jurgen the German]

This site is 30 years old?

I keep coming back here, despite telling myself I spend far too much time on this site, because I'm genuinely interested in debate.

When it comes to Baleforce, though, I'm honestly not bothered that he's blocked me, and I wouldn't be if I were you either. In my experience, he's the type of person who isn't interested in genuine discussion. If he does engage, it often seems to end with him dismissing people as bigots the moment they express a view he disagrees with.

The best approach is simply to avoid people like that rather than waste time trying to debate them. It's not an ideal solution, I know, but they don't seem interested in finding practical solutions or having good-faith conversations. Instead, they prefer to shout people down and shame anyone who disagrees with them.

Quite frankly, I think he's a troll, and I'm surprised more people don't call him out for it.

 

[Jurgen the German]

So do you have a concern or not?

Is there data on 'trans crimes' in toilets?

Do you mean mixed sex when you suggest gender neutral toilets?

Are female toilets always desperate cubicles with a lockable door?

I think gender-neutral toilets would be a sensible compromise.

What really doesn't help these debates is people like Baleforce. These issues are complex, and there are often genuine grey areas and ambiguities, but he seems to reduce everything to a simplistic moral framework. The approach appears to be to automatically side with whichever group is perceived to be the most disadvantaged, even when that may come at the expense of another group's legitimate concerns—in this case, women. But these issues are rarely black and white.

Topics such as race, gender, antisemitism, knife crime, and violence against women are all difficult and emotionally charged. They require careful, rigorous debate rather than slogans or attempts to shut down discussion.

I understand the importance of protecting trans people, who often face discrimination and prejudice. At the same time, it's also reasonable to listen to women's concerns about female-only spaces, including questions about how access should be managed when someone identifies as a woman. A fair discussion should be able to acknowledge both sets of concerns without dismissing either side out of hand.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I think gender-neutral toilets would be a sensible compromise.

Which is generally what is happening from what I can see, there are more and more of these toilet set ups, especially in new builds where there are rows of say 5/10 private cubicles rather than two separate "open" toilets. I think the pitfalls on the situation are being overplayed by some, I do think there is a safe guarding issue to an extent but as I have said previously, history has proven that if a man wants to rape or sexually abuse a woman they will find a way which doesn't need them to dress up as a woman to do it.