Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[monkeybarry]

It was the main tactic they used.

It's the main thing they have that's outside of the status quo.

It feels like you are struggling to win your own argument with yourself.

It is ok to be wrong and change your mind - you'll get no judgement here.

 

[thfcsteff]

Don’t really get your point here?

You told me it was 'different' for my father's era/time. Here you're saying the same initiatives have been in place for decades. Here's the thing (and I'm being honest)...your opinions on what my Dad did/didn't experience are inconsequential to me. You weren't there (and to the best of my knowledge the 'era' is beyond your scope of experience).

You asked about specific about cases. I’m giving you examples and rather we than address them your deflecting. Did race play a part in the girls not being believed? Did the police not properly investigate for fears of cresting issues within those heavily Islamic communities?

Laughable. I'm deflecting? You're conflating. It's almost as if you've been salivating over a moment when you can bring muslim rape gangs into the picture. How many times does it have to be said? Scum. All of them. Like all pedos. Yet here you are, attempting to conflate and create some grand 'DEI-driven' narrative and whiolly buying into this 'two-tier police' rubbish spouted by the usual dog-whistling foghorns who have a platform.

Not talking about him.

Nottingham killer was not sectioned because of his race, inquiry told

Valdo Calocane released in 2020 after mental health staff considered research on over-representation of young black men in detention

www.theguardian.com

Ah ha! A link to what you were talking about! So, since the one mention you referenced regarding a study of over-represented black men in facilitites, this guy was sectioned 4 times and subsequently released. I know you don't generally tend to 'go deep' on these things, so I'd encourage you to read more about the whole case. It is a disgraceful failure, but it is a disgraceful failure of an over-stretched and under-resourced NHS, and a disgraceful failure of his various case managers. You can hear the whistles all you want, they don't apply here. This is straight up failure of the system. The mum of one of his victims said exactly what Norwalk's family said, i.e. don't politicize this death. Alas, the usual suspects don't give a f uck about anything other than their own agendas.

It is textbook racial profiling. But as long as your consistent and always give the befeift of the doubt until all the facts are laid out fair enough.

I'll point something out to you.
Every single day, everyone on this forum finds themselves profiling someone. Maybe it's as innocuous as looking at a tshirt someone's wearing, or their shoes, or their hair, and passing some tiny judgement (sometimes good, sometimes bad). Humans do this, even subconsciously.
Let's agree that it is possible the police involved in not looking after Norwalk at the scene of the murder had perhaps surveyed the situation immediately and concluded that Henry might've been high or drunk, and let's agree that this was possibly based on previous experiences. Let's also agree that THIS WAS TOTALLY WRONG and that Henry Norwalk was utterly disserviced there.

Where I will absolutely NOT agree with you, is that this came about as a result of over-DEI training and this myth of a 'two-tier police system'. It was a failure of the police on duty. Conflating it as being the result of overthrust training on DEI is conflation designed to feed a greater narrative. I'm personally not having it.

 

[Rorschach]

Lads and ladies, you are getting to the 'someone is wrong on the internet' meme stage.

 

[thfcsteff]

Always desperate to defend this one aren’t you.

What are you doing?!!!

 

[thfcsteff]

The quip is about his insistence on defending pedofiles. Only he can explain why he does it.

Now can you answer my question?

What an appalling thing to say.

 

[thfcsteff]

Why did they specifically accuse Nowak of being racist? They could have just said he was attacked and it was self defense. But racism was the primary part of their accusation. Why?

Without making assumptions I could not say. You obviously have something in mind, what is it?

 

[thfcsteff]

Because he was a wrongun and likely wanted to lay on something of gravity to the claim........crying wolf on anything is peoples go to when they try and get out of things, its been the way since time immemorial.

If you are trying to believe that in the heat of the stabbing that the bloke who stabbed poor Novak took his time to calculate that two tier policing and DEI training might get him off the hook if he made the claim of racism then I think you are really trying to reach all for the sake of point scoring on here mate

I think if Rob is honest, he has a viewpoint from which he will not back down and is simply incredulous that most people responding don't agree with it. Again, IF that is the case and we could all move on, that'd be great. However it does feel like Rob wants to 'win' an 'argument' which IMO is unwinnable. Does that seem like a fair appraisal @robp135 ? I mean, not one person is in doubt that both the crime and the action taken by the criminal are despicable, and that the police horrendously blew it.