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Gutter Boy said:
Even though Amazon, Google, the Chinese government and every scammer on the globe will have all your health and personal data about 10 minutes after it's switched on?
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Maybe so, but I'm non plussed, life is too short and I want efficiencies as I get older. My data is out there spread accross several services, im not silly enough to know others don't have it.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Most humans can't recognise people in front of them from photos. Even border control have a frighteningly low success rate against vague look-a-likes. It would need to be biometrics to work. Finger print scans to get the ignition of Just Eat bikes to work etc.
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Thankfully tech has moved on from just human eyes.
 
Is it fair to say immigration is an actually the reason people are less well off? If not then it's not a real problem. The fact most people beleive it's why they are unhappy is the issue. We've always had controls on migration. There's no open door policy. The reason people have less money is austerity and lack of opportunity and high costs. Not effin migrants. They may play a small part in tne issue but it's not the real problem.
 
Gutter Boy said:
The decline in traffic/easier parking would be a quick win once the population starts to drop. Cheaper house prices/rent too, as the supply/demand thing tips back a bit.
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Knocking a million of the population is not going to ease traffic and parking is another rinse out anyway. (Self driving taxis will)

Corporate landlords are taking over the rental sector....so we will be subject to their whims.( ie profits and ear of the government)
 
LutonSpurs said:
Is it fair to say immigration is an actually the reason people are less well off? If not then it's not a real problem. The fact most people beleive it's why they are unhappy is the issue. We've always had controls on migration. There's no open door policy. The reason people have less money is austerity and lack of opportunity and high costs. Not effin migrants. They may play a small part in tne issue but it's not the real problem.
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I think immigration has been used over the last 20 years by our neo-liberal governments and their corporate puppet masters to systematically drive down wages and working conditions.

I have absolutely no negative thoughts about the individuals who have grasped those opportunities, but social dumping of low skilled workers, instead of investing in skills and conditions for the existing/new generation workforce, is a major cause of our current issues.

I do also think pressure on housing, services and healthcare is caused by the dramatic leap in population in that period. 18 million more people using the same infrastructure/space just doesn't work.

In contrast though, I do fundamentally support immigration when it relates to compassion (asylum), high-skilled (esp university students) and love (spouses). It's just the cheap labour motives that are problematic.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Maybe so, but I'm non plussed, life is too short and I want efficiencies as I get older. My data is out there spread accross several services, im not silly enough to know others don't have it.
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I agree but it’s the “well it’s out there anyway so what can we do” attitude that makes us all more vulnerable (and I count myself in that). But I still feel uncomfortable about it.

I remember a good few years back the company I was working for told all employees that we needed to provide copies of our passports or other ID to prove we had the right to work in the UK. In our department there were 2 of us who refused and kept pointing out that the law obliged companies to check that their employees had the right to work. It did not require employees to provide copies of documentation. In the end they agreed and sent someone from HR to look at our passports. Most people will just go along with what they are told.

I also remember after I got married having to provide a copy of my marriage certificate in order to have my name changed in various work systems. A couple of years later I was asked to provide it again. I refused (if they’d lost it that was on them) and it remained an outstanding task in the Workday system up to the day I left.
That’s what would be my main concern around the whole ID thing - the security of the stored information. I certainly don’t trust government to have the most robust protections in place.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Knocking a million of the population is not going to ease traffic and parking is another rinse out anyway. (Self driving taxis will)

Corporate landlords are taking over the rental sector....so we will be subject to their whims.( ie profits and ear of the government)
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If it's a million a year over 20 years - i.e. falling birth rate reversing the immigration increases of the last 20 years (population down to 55m again by 2045) - it will make a massive difference.

Look at how historically peasants always prosper after a population drop. The black death ended serfdom. The Irish famine kickstarted prosperity for the survivors. Obviously less traumatic and more gentle population decreases are preferred!
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I agree but it’s the “well it’s out there anyway so what can we do” attitude that makes us all more vulnerable (and I count myself in that). But I still feel uncomfortable about it.

I remember a good few years back the company I was working for told all employees that we needed to provide copies of our passports or other ID to prove we had the right to work in the UK. In our department there were 2 of us who refused and kept pointing out that the law obliged companies to check that their employees had the right to work. It did not require employees to provide copies of documentation. In the end they agreed and sent someone from HR to look at our passports. Most people will just go along with what they are told.

I also remember after I got married having to provide a copy of my marriage certificate in order to have my name changed in various work systems. A couple of years later I was asked to provide it again. I refused (if they’d lost it that was on them) and it remained an outstanding task in the Workday system up to the day I left.
That’s what would be my main concern around the whole ID thing - the security of the stored information. I certainly don’t trust government to have the most robust protections in place.
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Its not that "it's out there so what" that I'm getting at really, more that if my government services can be streamlined into one place then I'm all for it. It's no more dangerous for me than having a Mortgage, bank account, mobile, passport. You can't protect all your life, people act like they are ahead of the government and somehow under the radar, when infact based on basic services pur info is where it needs to be to live aka credit scoring etc

I can't stop Russia hacking my data, I'm not blase about it, just I can't stop it.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What are you on about (again!)

I log into my NHS account and my history is there, going way back.
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The NHS still used 9000 fax machines according to recent FOIs and is the biggest purchaser globally of new ones.

Most doctors' surgery records have never been digitalised. The same with many Trusts. You might have a local Trust that sent their boxes out to a company for scanning, but it's not been widely done.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I suppose the logical answer to that is if the authorities turns up at a workplace, anyone without an ID card can instantly be recognized as illegal worker. (Minimal legwork). And as such the employer is instantly guilty as well.

They are a nonsense though.
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That's pretty much the way it works now anyway. As an employer, I'm obliged to check for and keep a copy of evidence of* eligibility to work.

I don't believe that a govt designed digital ID will be any more difficult to forge than a paper one.

But it's not employers like me and fake ID that are the problem. The issue is the ones who don't care about or check for ID in the first place.


*Or evidence I've checked.
 
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