*** OMT -- TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs ARSENAL -- OMT ***

[billyiddo]

Not really. My recollection of it is drawing 2-2 at half time after playing 442, and then losing 5-2 once we moved to 451/433.

It's not about the formation. Arsenal will dominate the ball no matter what formation we play so I'd rather we forgot about trying to match them up and just play to what we're actually good at. Defoe up front with Dempsey behind is like playing with 9 men, Adebayor up front with Dempsey behind is like playing with 10 men, but Defoe upfront with Ade is like playing with 11 men - which I think would be a good start.

why do you think Redknapp switched tactics/formation at half time? we may have been drawing 2-2 but they were tinkling all over us in all areas (bar the score line) come the second half they had the momentum from the first and blew us out the water, we set up wrong from the beginning and handed them the advantage

 

[glorygloryeze]

Yeh Arsenal are fudging red hot at the moment arent they, smashing everybody in sight, goals for fun, clean sheets...

LOL, true, but we aren't ripping up trees ourselves. Plus we are a bit too defensive right now, and we're playing withvery little energy; something we need agaisnt them for sure

 

[glorygloryeze]

why do you think Redknapp switched tactics/formation at half time? we may have been drawing 2-2 at half time but they were tinkling all over us in all areas (bar the score line) come the second half they had the momentum from the first and blew us out the water, we set up wrong from the beginning and handed them the advantage

Yep, plus the subs made our formation even more odd. VDV for Saha? Ok fair enough, perhaps to play behind Ade. But then Sandro for Kranjcar? Ok, but with Parker and Modric already on, where was he meant to play and the other two as well? And who was then to play of the right??

Those subs made us even more shapeless. Very very odd subs

 

[Rossi22]

why do you think Redknapp switched tactics/formation at half time? we may have been drawing 2-2 at half time but they were tinkling all over us in all areas (bar the score line) come the second half they had the momentum from the first and blew us out the water, we set up wrong from the beginning and handed them the advantage

No sorry, I think that's a cheap get out and I've seen a lot of people say the same thing. It's so weak to say that we were "beyond repair" and that there was no way back for us at 2-2. They are two separate halves of football, we may have lost anyway if we hadn't have changed it but 451 obviously didn't fair any better. I'm not even saying Harry was wrong to change it but I fail to see how anyone can say we lost because we played 442.

 

[Kingdawson]

No sorry, I think that's a cheap get out and I've seen a lot of people say the same thing. It's so weak to say that we were "beyond repair" and that there was no way back for us at 2-2. They are two separate halves of football, we may have lost anyway if we hadn't have changed it but 451 obviously didn't fair any better. I'm not even saying Harry was wrong to change it but I fail to see how anyone can say we lost because we played 442.

I couldn't even tell what formation we were playing but it didn't look like a 4-5-1 tbh.

 

[indianspur]

Arsenal 2-5 Tottenham

Dempsey with all 7

 

[diego_maradona]

We miss two players massively who used to control our tempo. Now we have no one. Carroll is probably the closest player we have to try and knit things together but that is an awful amount of responsibility. Moutinho was a necessity in my view.

Even with Sandro and Dembele we miss that fulcrum, who can act as a pivot and bring our best players in to play. We effectively lost 2 of those players in Rafa and Luka. Depressing

 

[Rossi22]

I couldn't even tell what formation we were playing but it didn't look like a 4-5-1 tbh.

It was the formation that everyone(including myself) had wanted

Friedel
Walker Kaboul King Ekotto
Sandro Parker
Modric
VDV --------- Bale
Adebayor​

 

[DHSF]

I think we really need to show a bit more intent and have Ade behind Defoe.

I also think Dawson deserves a game maybe either with Caulker and keep Vert at LB or with Vert in the middle and drop both Caulker and Gallas (assuming BAE is fit - not the case i presume)

 

[billyiddo]

No sorry, I think that's a cheap get out and I've seen a lot of people say the same thing. It's so weak to say that we were "beyond repair" and that there was no way back for us at 2-2. They are two separate halves of football, we may have lost anyway if we hadn't have changed it but 451 obviously didn't fair any better. I'm not even saying Harry was wrong to change it but I fail to see how anyone can say we lost because we played 442.

it's not cheap at all - football games may be two halves but they are not separate matches and what happens in the first can (and often does) effect what happens in the second.

many people have said it because it is true - we were 2-0 WAY against the run of play, Arsenal inevitably came back in to it and took that momentum in to the second half whilst we were down after throwing away the lead - once they took the lead early in the second half it was game over, regardless of how we set ourselves up, the damage had been done.

but anyway enough talk of defeats to the Scum in the OMT - i missed the 2-3 game because i was in Mexico and there was nowhere available at 6:00 am to watch the match, let's have a repeat of that!

 

[THFC6061]

Arsenal host Tottenham Hotspur at the Emirates Stadium in the 12th round of 2012-13 Premier League matches on Saturday 17th November 2012 (KO 12:45).

Arsenal come into the North London Derby in 8th place on 16 points, while Spurs are in 7th place on 17 points.

This will be the 250th time the two teams have met.

Spurs v Arsenal is now one of the great rivalries in World Football but the fixture had very different beginings back in November 1887 when the clubs first met in a friendly played on Tottenham Marshes. Arsenal, then called Royal Arsenal, had been formed just a year earlier as Dial Square and were essentially the works team for the munitions factory situated in Woolwich, Kent, while Spurs who had been formed some five years earlier in 1882 still had many of the youngsters who founded the club playing for them. Spurs won that first encounter 2-1, although the game was cut short by 15 minutes, due to poor light conditions because of the Arsenal team turning-up late for the start.

Seven more friendlies were played between the two clubs from 1888 to 1896 with Spurs winning four and Arsenal winning three before their first competitive match in March 1899. By this time, Arsenal were re-named Woolwich Arsenal and the clubs met in the United League with the Gunners winning 2-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead while Spurs won the return match 3-2 at Northumberland Park.

Two matches were played within the same week in April 1900 in the Southern District Combination League with Spurs winning 4-2 at White Hart Lane which was followed by a 2-1 win to Arsenal at Plumstead in a game abandoned after 75 minutes due to "bad language". History doesn't provide the answer as to who was the guilty party! From 1901 to 1920, the clubs met in various minor competitions, friendlies and matches played during the First World War.

Tottenham Hotspur joined the Football League in season 1908-09 and won promotion to the First Division on their first attempt. The following season they played Arsenal in December 1909 and lost 0-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead, while the reverse fixture at White Hart Lane ended in a 1-1 draw with John Curtis scoring Spurs' first League goal against the Gunners.

The teams met for three more seasons before Arsenal's relegation at the end of the 1912-13 season with Spurs winning three matches, Arsenal winning two and one game drawn.

September 1913 proved to be a hugely important date in the history of both clubs as Arsenal controversially moved from south of the River Thames into the territory reserved for Tottenham Hotspur and Clapton (later Leyton) Orient, in clear violation of the rules and regulations governing such relocations as stipulated by the Football League. Despite bitter protests, Arsenal's move to Highbury (more correctly called Arsenal Stadium) was allowed.

White Hart Lane was requisitioned by the Army during WWI, so Spurs played many of their wartime matches at Highbury.

When League football resumed after the war in 1919, it was decided to once again expand the First Division from 20 teams to 22. The normal way of doing this had always been to add the top two clubs from the Second Division to those who were already in the First Division. However, there were complications arising from allegations of match-fixing from Liverpool and Manchester United during the final matches of the last season played before the League was suspended and it was felt that they would forfit their Top Flight status as a result.

From nowhere, Arsenal, who had finished sixth (later corrected to fifth) in the Second Division before the war were 'elected' to take Tottenham Hotspur's place in the First Division. Allegations of bribery persist to this day and Henry Norris (Arsenal's Chairman) was later given a lifetime ban from football from the Football League for underhand financial activities.

Spurs and Arsenal played their first Football League match after World War One in the First Division in January 1921 with Spurs winning 2-1 at White Hart Lane while Arsenal won the return match at Highbury 3-2. All 150 League games played to date have taken place in the Top Flight of English football.

Highbury was taken over by the Army during the Second World War and Spurs returned the favour by allowing Arsenal to play their wartime matches at White Hart Lane. Arsenal won the first FA Cup meeting between the two teams 3-0 in the 3rd Round in January 1949. The clubs have played five FA Cup matches to date with Spurs winning two and Arsenal winning three.

The first Football League Cup match took place in November 1968 with Arsenal winning the first leg of the Semi-Final 1-0 at Highbury and Spurs drawing 1-1 at White Hart Lane the following month. Of the 12 League Cup matches played so far, Spurs have won 3, Arsenal have won 6 and three games have been drawn.

Both Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur were founder members of the Premier League in season 1992-93 and both clubs are among the seven (Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea, Manchester United and Aston Villa are the other five) who have been ever-present during the 21 seasons of the competition.

Arsenal went two goals ahead by halftime in the 2010-11 fixture at the Emirates in November through Samir Nasri and Marouane Chamakh but Spurs came back strongly with goals from Gareth Bale, Rafael van der Vaart (penalty) and Younes Kaboul to secure a 3-2 win.

The match at White Hart Lane in April 2011 was a six goal thriller with honours even. Theo Walcott and Rafael van der Vaart scored goals within the first 10 minutes before Samir Nasri put the Gunners 2-1 up after 12 minutes. Arsenal went further ahead with a Robin van Persie goal on 40 minutes but Tom Huddlestone made it 2-3 by halftime. Van der Vaart scored the only goal in the second half from the penalty spot.

The fixture at White Hart Lane last season in October was won by Spurs 2-1 with goals from Rafael van der Vaart and Kyle Walker with Aaron Ramsey scoring for Arsenal.

Arsenal won their home match in February 2012 5-2. Louis Saha had put Spurs ahead after 4 minutes and an Emmanuel Adebayor penalty put Tottenham further ahead after 34 minutes. But Arsenal pulled two goals back before half-time through Bacary Sagna and Robin van Persie. Tomas Rosicky put Arsenal in front just after the break and the rout was completed with a brace from Theo Walcott.

As far as Football League / Premier League matches go, three player have both scored nine goals for Spurs against Arsenal - Billy Minter and Bobby Smith.

Three Arsenal players have each scored eight goals against Spurs - Robert Pires, Emmanuel Adebayor and Alan Smith.

There have been three hat-tricks scored during North London Derbies - Terry Dyson for Spurs and Ted Drake & Alan Sunderland for Arsenal.

Jimmy Robertson & Emmanuel Adebayor are the only two players to score for both Spurs & Arsenal in a North London Derby.

Arsenal's David O'Leary has played in the most North London Derbies (35) while both Gary Mabbutt & Steve Perryman played 31 games with Spurs.

During the 2012 summer transfer window, Spurs signed former Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor from Emirates Marketing Project after having spent a season on loan.

Overall, Spurs have won 90 of the 249 matches played against Arsenal with the Gunners winning 100 and 59 matches drawn.

Full History of Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal Matches 1887-2012

They Played for Spurs & Arsenal....

Emmanuel Adebayor
Clive Allen
Charlie Ambler
Bob Arber (Arsenal player, Spurs reserves manager)
David Bentley
David Black
Anton Blackwood
Jimmy Brain
Laurie Brown
Walter Bugg
Lycurgus Burrows
Sol Campbell
Herbert Chapman (Spurs player, Arsenal manager)
Damien Comolli (Director of Football at both clubs)
Freddie Cox
James Delvin
Wilf Dixon (Spurs assistant manager, Arsenal trainer)
Jack Eggett
Tom Fitchie
Theo Foley (Arsenal assistant manager, Spurs reserves manager)
William Gallas
George Graham (Arsenal player, manager with both clubs)
Vic Groves
Tom Hatfield
Stewart Houston (Assistant manager at both clubs)
Joe Hulme (Arsenal player, Spurs manager)
George Hunt
David Jenkins
Pat Jennings
Bill Julian
Peter Kyle
Neil Lacy
Bill Lane (Spurs player, Arsenal scout)
Peter McWilliam (Spurs manager, Arsenal scout)
Tom Meade
Billy Minter
Terry Naylor
Terry Neill (Arsenal player, manager with both clubs)
Jamie O'Hara
Tom O'Shea
George Payne
Ron Piper
Tom Pratt
Rohan Ricketts
Jimmy Robertson
Andrew Swan
Walter Thomas
Erik Thorstvedt
Steve Walford
Ernie Walley (Spurs player, Arsenal coach)
Charlie Williams
Willie Young

Tottenham Hotspur Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2012-13

Arsenal Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2012-13

 

[glorygloryeze]

Let's talk tactics and formations; how can we even give ourselves a chance with our in juries and current form?

 

[DHSF]

Just out of interest is a team allowed to have more than one goalkeeper playing? Im not certain on the rules concerning this.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

I think we really need to show a bit more intent and have Ade behind Defoe.

I also think Dawson deserves a game maybe either with Caulker and keep Vert at LB or with Vert in the middle and drop both Caulker and Gallas (assuming BAE is fit - not the case i presume)

Vert at lb vs Walcott? He was terrible today.

Please can we play a full back at full back.

 

[El Guepardo]

I think we should just attack them, if they've watched us against Wigan and Emirates Marketing Project, then the one thing that they won't be expecting us for us to attack them!! So we play Defoe and Adebayor upfront, Bale, Sigurdsson, Sandro and Lennon in midfield with a back 4 of Gallas, Vertonghen, Walker, Naughton.... perhaps we might actually want to start passing the ball a bit and accurately, again I think that would give them a shock.

I would play Gallas at right back, why? Because from what I've seen of Arsenal, a lot of their play goes down their left hand side. The best right back that we have at the moment has to be Gallas, in spite of the fact that I think he is making too many mistakes at centre back.

 

[Rossi22]

Just out of interest is a team allowed to have more than one goalkeeper playing? Im not certain on the rules concerning this.

I don't know if you're being serious here but no, you can't. Well you could play Friedel and Lloris, but one of them would have to play in one of the other 10 positions.

 

[El Guepardo]

Well we could play Lloris in midfield as we know that he is better with the ball at his feet than Huddlestone was today.

 

[DHSF]

I don't know if you're being serious here but no, you can't. Well you could play Friedel and Lloris, but one of them would have to play in one of the other 10 positions.

To be honest I was being serious. I thought that it was just a case of 11 players and they could constitute any position etc

 

[NWND]

Come on AVB! I want this team:

...........................Freidel

Walker........Caulker......Vertonghen.......Naughton

.................Sandro.......Dembele

Lennon...............Adebayor...............Bale

............................Defoe

 

[rosenthal]

To be honest I was being serious. I thought that it was just a case of 11 players and they could constitute any position etc

Only one player is allowed to handle the ball in your own box, and he need to have different kit than the rest of the team.
I assume you are forced to play with one, but you certainly can't have more than one.
You can put Lloris, Friedel, Gomes and Cudicini all on the pitch if you want - but only one will be allowed to wear the goal keeper kit and have different rules applied to him than the rest of the players.