And we didn't practice corners enough either.
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OMT *** Tottenham Hotspur v Stoke ***
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Daisuk
Les Medley
I'm pretty sure one of the pundits on NCBn said just that. I had one ear on something else though, but pretty sure something to that effect was said.
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
I advise you to view the match again and count how many times Trippier either got past his man or passed forward. That number will be less than 3. He didn't do anything wrong, but he certainly didn't do much progressive. It was really frustrating to watch him.
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
That's my point! He never challenged the defender. He always checked back. Even when facing Joe bloody Allen, he didn't even try to get past, but went backwards.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Yes we played well, we won well and this effort is to be applauded. But..why is it we can't say that the poor performances are poor? But that we have a love in for the better days? Surely a balanced approach is to give a mixture of praise & criticism. Today's performance was evidence of what we are capable of. The criticism only stems from frustration when we play poorly and don't look up for it.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
^^This. Today was the first time I’ve felt frustrated watching him. When the ball was played out to him, rather than run with it down the line and try to beat the Stoke player he invariably cut in or passed it back.
As for the match, it was definitely a game of two halves. Much better second half, we looked livelier, with more attacking intent, and better movement and faster passing. It could have been much more than 5.
Son has evolved into a great player. You feel something is going to happen whenever he gets on the ball.
And we have Lamela back! He makes such a difference. And could have scored on two or three occasions. (The last chance was nailed on if Davies had played the ball in rather than having a go himself).
And fair play to the Stoke fans, singing “5-0 and you f*cked it up”. You have to love the football fan’s black humour.
Agree with this. From an attacking perspective, he doesnt even seem to want to take his man on - he goes side or back as you say...and this isnt just on the basis of today's performance, its the way he plays. You could say that in a 4-2-3-1 its less of a problem and a more traditional full back isnt an issue. - there's some merit in that argument, however when we go 3 at the back, its much more of a concern as we rely on the wing-backs for our attacking width. It highlights the difference between him and Walker, given the latter was effective in a back 3 or back 4 formation. Aurier on the other hand looks suspect defensively; KWP is probably somewhere in between them in terms of defensive/attacking bias though he hasnt been put under the same spotlight as the other two yet
Will be interesting to see what Poch does with Trippier - he's 27 now so if he doesnt prove that he's worth a starting spot come the start of next season (or, more accurately, proves that he's not good enough) then its arguable that should cash in on him in the next 18 months before his value starts to drop.
StephenH
David Ginola
In the first half he was marked/covered very tightly by the Stoke left back! Thus was not so good going forward!
Second half he had much more room and I think improved.
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
And still didn't try to beat his man once. Always passed sideways or backwards
StephenH
David Ginola
Second half he put some 'better' crosses in. Think Stoke saw him as a real danger and shut him down quite well but sadly a little too easily as you say, it was very noticeable in the first half an hour. Walker had a threat perceived or otherwise. We miss that at times!
He was wide open several times, but we kept pushing everything down the left. The few times we moved play over to the right it took too long to get the ball to him. Stoke are rubbish, so in the end it didn't really matter.
Re. the full-backs, I don't think either of them were very good today and I don't think any of our group of 4 are in great form at the moment, but I'm sure that will pass.
Best thing about today, imo, was our intensity. We played hard, pressed hard and got the ball forward quickly. Stoke couldn't cope with it in the end. Great result.
Best thing about today, imo, was our intensity. We played hard, pressed hard and got the ball forward quickly. Stoke couldn't cope with it in the end. Great result.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Gah....I’m drunk now but will offer an impassioned defence of Trippier tomorrow. I thought he did his job well today, the players I thought were below par were Dele and Dembele.
Dele because he was marked tightly to the max...he tries those flicks because if one comes off he’s beaten 3 players and we likely score. When they don’t work he looks like a selfish player but actually I think he’s getting there.
Dembele just wasn’t winning his 1 v 1s enough for me to be happy with him. But the reason he gets 90 mins is because he needs to ramp up to get in to his rhythm. He’ll be fine.
fudge it...I’ll try and offer a Trippier defence. Basically, it’s a broader point about how we played the ball forward quicker today with less regard for control and more regard for just getting it forward quickly. It was a bit more Sherwood and I think on the Wembley pitch it may be exactly what we need against defensive teams. With the strategy we used today, I’m not surprised that Son shined. Trippier’s job was to clip the longer, more direct balls forward with quality and I think he did that on more than one occasion. When he did have 1 v1 defending to do, he did it well. Good game from him.
And good game from the team. I view this as a turning point. The commentators I watched tried to paint this narrative as classic ‘slow Spurs at Wembley’ at half time but I didn’t see that. I saw us get into dangerous positions more regularly and it wasn’t just that we got a first half goal that opened it up... I think it would have happened anyway. We were really good. We were really penetrative. We got the ball forward quickly and sacrificed control. I’d like to think this is a turning point because we’ve figured out how to play defensive teams on the Wembley pitch. Hopefully that holds true.
I’m drunk.
Dele because he was marked tightly to the max...he tries those flicks because if one comes off he’s beaten 3 players and we likely score. When they don’t work he looks like a selfish player but actually I think he’s getting there.
Dembele just wasn’t winning his 1 v 1s enough for me to be happy with him. But the reason he gets 90 mins is because he needs to ramp up to get in to his rhythm. He’ll be fine.
fudge it...I’ll try and offer a Trippier defence. Basically, it’s a broader point about how we played the ball forward quicker today with less regard for control and more regard for just getting it forward quickly. It was a bit more Sherwood and I think on the Wembley pitch it may be exactly what we need against defensive teams. With the strategy we used today, I’m not surprised that Son shined. Trippier’s job was to clip the longer, more direct balls forward with quality and I think he did that on more than one occasion. When he did have 1 v1 defending to do, he did it well. Good game from him.
And good game from the team. I view this as a turning point. The commentators I watched tried to paint this narrative as classic ‘slow Spurs at Wembley’ at half time but I didn’t see that. I saw us get into dangerous positions more regularly and it wasn’t just that we got a first half goal that opened it up... I think it would have happened anyway. We were really good. We were really penetrative. We got the ball forward quickly and sacrificed control. I’d like to think this is a turning point because we’ve figured out how to play defensive teams on the Wembley pitch. Hopefully that holds true.
I’m drunk.
Seedy Ron
Frederic Kanoute
Think how much (negative) analysis of the right back we could've had if it hadn't gone tits up? We'll never get those pages back. Scara out.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Spot on.
We all know Trippier is no Son, that's stating the bleeding obvious, so we need to accept that it makes better sense for him to pass the ball back rather than lose it attempting a dribble that's never going to come off.
And contrary to @Kandi1977's rant (perfectly understandable given his first-half showing) Tripps DID actually try to take on his man once or twice but the result was as expected, he lost possession.
We need to remember Tripps is at his best when he has that extra bit of space on the flank to either curl his first-time floaters across the goal or lob the ball ahead over defenders and into the path of a forward runner. But whenever he's tightly marked like he was today in the first half, that's not going to happen, so I prefer to sign up for the back pass rather than blow a fuse.
