Gazza Dazzla
Rafael Van Der Vaart
The club wanted to sell?
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Next Manager Thread (2026 Edition)
- Thread starter Gutter Boy
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Didn’t we already try this?
Yes. Sherwood & Pochettinos stories both align on this.
Gazza Dazzla
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I’d be amazed we wanted to sell during Poch’s time here?
I can believe we’d have thought about it before Sherwood started playing him though.
Yep Poch was willing to sell Rose, Dier & Alli from what’s been reported. We would have got £150M+ for those 3 combined between 2017-2019 and ended up with a nominal fee of Dier that’s probably less than the wages we paid Rose to be mates with the under 21s for a season.
Would anyone consider Slot for us? Was the next big thing when we tried to get him, then went to Liverpool and won the league there in his first season - yeah it was more 'Klopps team' but Klopp didn't win the league with that team year before.
Is he all of a sudden a bad manager because of one under performing season? I doubt it....
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
He isnt a bad manager at all, another impacted by circumstances, the transition and getting wholesale changes means he likely needs another season there to bed in the new guys. Rome not built in a day and all that
Bullet
Jimmy Cantrell
I wanted Poch gone by the end of his first stint here.
But I was impressed with him at Cheatski, I was very glad when they sacked him prematurely (as usual).
Most managers only last a couple of years, so don't expect one to stay at Spurs for 10 years or something, we would probably need 5-10 managers to come and go before we really established ourselves at the top of the PL somehow, so don't be tooooooo wedded to the next guy through the door.
There are lots of managers that could do very well for us, depending who is available at the time e.g. Slot, Maresca, Nagelsmann, Terzic, Rose, Hoeness and a host of others that escape my mind, so we have loads of choice but Poch will always be hanging around in the shadows of the training ground with his barbecue tongs and his Tottenham apron, so it is best we get him in, give him a go and get that saga finished.
But I was impressed with him at Cheatski, I was very glad when they sacked him prematurely (as usual).
Most managers only last a couple of years, so don't expect one to stay at Spurs for 10 years or something, we would probably need 5-10 managers to come and go before we really established ourselves at the top of the PL somehow, so don't be tooooooo wedded to the next guy through the door.
There are lots of managers that could do very well for us, depending who is available at the time e.g. Slot, Maresca, Nagelsmann, Terzic, Rose, Hoeness and a host of others that escape my mind, so we have loads of choice but Poch will always be hanging around in the shadows of the training ground with his barbecue tongs and his Tottenham apron, so it is best we get him in, give him a go and get that saga finished.
On the podcast he did last week he said the club wanted to sign Danny Welbeck to add to Adeybeyor and Soldado when he first came in and only because the Welbeck deal fell through and he joined Woolwich did Kane remain as 3rd choice and get loaned out.
The season before Pochettino joined Everton finished 5th, 3pts above Spurs in 6th. Had he got the Everton job instead of us and this was his record the past 12 years.
The only counter is that he did all that at Spurs. Which is as much of a positive as it is a negative because he is already familiar ith the fanbase and understands what’s unique about the club.
To get a top tier manager like a Nagglesman or Alonso we would need to promise them a major transfer spend and a degree of control they won’t have at the super clubs.
They way I see it may as well give that opportunity to Pochettino. He told us there needed to be a painful rebuild. 7 years on we’re still in that but he’s inheriting a squad that has 5 players ranked inside the top 10 in their position based on value according to Transfermarkt. 4 others in the top 25. Along with 6 players in the top 25 for Under 21’s in their position.
- Finished 5th and a League Cup Final
- Finished 3rd
- Finished 2nd and an FA Cup Semi Final
- Finished 3rd an an FA Cup Semi Final
- Developed multiple academy graduates and young signings into elite players that sold collectively for over £400Million
- Played attacking, fast paced, exciting Football
- Went 3 whole transfer windows without signing a player before the form started to dip
- Even then in his final full seaso ginished 4th and got to a Champions League Final
- Went on to manage an elite European club where is success mirrroed what had been achieved in previous seasons which includes winning a league title and cup.
- Joined a top Premiership team that had finished 12th season before and got them back into the top 6
- Developed multiple young talents into elite players now also worth millions
- Fell out with an ownership thats had 6 permanent managers in 4 season
The only counter is that he did all that at Spurs. Which is as much of a positive as it is a negative because he is already familiar ith the fanbase and understands what’s unique about the club.
To get a top tier manager like a Nagglesman or Alonso we would need to promise them a major transfer spend and a degree of control they won’t have at the super clubs.
They way I see it may as well give that opportunity to Pochettino. He told us there needed to be a painful rebuild. 7 years on we’re still in that but he’s inheriting a squad that has 5 players ranked inside the top 10 in their position based on value according to Transfermarkt. 4 others in the top 25. Along with 6 players in the top 25 for Under 21’s in their position.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The story is he was being released. They got his parents in for the big let go meeting. But one of the coaches noticed how big his dad was and figured if Kane would eventually reach that size, it might be enough to tip the balance. So they gave him a contract extension based on his dad's height.
From memory this is a David Pleat story
He took a side that was consistently top 2, delivered one good season, added 450M+ players and has made them look worse in every way, attacking/defensive, players have dropped off a cliff, no consistency. Add in his fudging bizarre press conferences
Slot has huge red flags, blinking lights, stay away ..
It may just be circumstances but Slot would be a huge risk that doesn't look worthwhile at this point for us.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
Indeed. It is completely obvious to me. And I don’t even think of like an ‘itch to scratch’, he’s simply right for us on his own terms. He literally called out, way in advance of the results slipping, that we needed a rebuild. Instead of listening to him, we then went multiple transfer windows without signing a player (while he took us to the Champions League final) and then decided to sack him and not rebuild, and rather give those same players to a ‘proven winner’ who predictably flamed out.
Like…I don’t really get how, when the man calls out what is needed to prevent the bad stuff happening, way in advance of the bad stuff happening, and is completely proven right, why people would be worried about appointing him? He is a top level manager that knows what our club needs. Our decision makers should have trusted Poch, rather than themselves and whatever flights of fancy were being whispered in their ears. I think if we had done, we may have had a down year while the rebuild happened but we would be in a hell of a lot better place as a club than we are now.
The itch to scratch stuff just shouldn’t come into it. It should be; can we set him up for success? Would we let him build the culture and set the foundations? Would we trust him on who to buy and who to sell, and when? If so, he’s probably going to do a good job. If we don’t do that, he’d do a bad one. But he is right for us on his own terms.
Muttley
Mauricio Taricco
Personally, I think it would have been more than a down year. The age profile of the first team made the squad vulnerable, we had bought bad replacements for key departures like Walker and we had some tough injuries dilemmas with guys like Rose, Wanyama, Dier, Dembele, Winks and especially Dele who never recovered from his soft tissue hammy injuries. Our new signing Gio was another fragile guy and we all had high hopes for him and Ndombele at the time. We of course then went into COVID times as well.
My challenge at the time was Poch had compromised his beliefs and pandered to players. He should have just put us into his favoured 4-2-3-1 system and he should have been tougher on guys like Sonny who wasn't giving us anything defensively. He should have been stricter with a guy like Sissoko who was just playing with his heart and not using his brain. He should have demanded more consistency from Moura. There were problems all over the place and Poch was just trying to mould some sort of hybrid formation that I don't really feel he believed in. He had also played with such high intensity for so many seasons and that took his toll.
Philosophically, I agree with you about him riding it out though. It couldn't have been worse than what we saw unfold.
I actually think it was the right call for him to leave. Wish it had been more on mutual terms but he was clearly checked out and frustrated by the lack of willingness to follow his ideas. There was also the constant flirting with Madrid & Man Utd.
But he is the right man for the job now.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
Yeah, when I say I think it was the wrong decision to let him go, I really mean it was the wrong decision to not listen to him and realise that Poch was the thing that was making the club over perform. By the time he was properly frustrated, I didn’t blame him. But we gave up our special strategic advantage by not trusting him, and trusting some other alternative perspective that we just needed a ‘winner’. And we’re paying for it to this day.
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First Modric.
100% agree
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
This is where decision makers earn their status, by having the insight that allows them to make the right decisions that lead to success. Like, no one would criticise the decision of a board to appoint a manager that got Spurs 6th 10 years in a row, hypothetically, the logic would be there. The logic was there with Frank. The logic was there in appointing Jose.
Unfortunately for our decision makers we aren’t playing a game of logic, we are playing it in the real world. And therefore they need to be criticised for making decisions that get proven out as terrible, just like they get praise for making good decisions. It is literally their job, to have control of the club, to have the buck stop with them. They need to weigh all the variables, take in all the perspectives, and make the right call.
Levy was on the Amazon Doc saying ‘time will tell if it’s the right decision’. What a hauntingly frustrating statement that was. Bring the man back, trust him to do the things he has already shown he can do, and back him when he says he needs to do certain things to maintain his culture that is key to our success. If we do that, he’s not just the itch to he scratched, he’s the perfect manager for us to get us where we need to go.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
I hear you, all fair points. It might have been two down years rather than one. So my question is, are we starting the rebuild in 2019, or 2020, if we keep Poch on in this alternate history? Or are we starting it in 2018 like he asked?
If we’re starting it in 2020, I agree, it’s hard because there’s a lot of work to do, a lot of churn required to move players out and get new ones in. If we listened to him in 2018 though, I think the down period would have been a lot less in length. And a lot less severe. But we needed to trust in him to execute on that plan.
As it was, if I put myself in Poch’s shoes, he’s turned down Real Madrid, he’s made his case that the squad needs a rebuild. Not only has he not been listened to, but we’ve signed nobody. So what to do? You’re going to honor your contract. You see a squad that won’t run as hard anymore. And is a little older. You see a group of players who probably have more individual motivation now, and are less willing to buy into a team at all costs mentality. So I can totally see why he tried to play a system that recognised where the squad was at the time. He was making the best of the situation he found himself in. But it wasn’t ideal for him or the club. So in the reality of what happened in November 2019, I can see why the decision was taken to let him go. But I wish we listened to him a year earlier and didn’t put him in that position. I wish we actually started the rebuild so that we maintained our culture, and so he didn’t feel like he had to come up with some half way house to satisfy the dynamics of a squad that had just changed a lot as they grew.