parj
Bobby Zamora
more than Romero and Danso combined.
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Lucas Bergvall
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You are something else!
Van Hecke had two more errors leading to goals more than Van Dijk (second place) over the whole season in a team with a hyper-progressive tactical setup.
At the same he produced the most progressive passes in the league.... two more than Van Dijk (again second place) in each game
More importantly he was second in key passes only behind our other "journeyman" (according to you).... Senesi
Just goes to show how hopelessly ineffective our centre halves were in progression and creativity... nothing else
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
He'll still get the brain fart tag. Just like Walker and Dier
You are something else!
Van Hecke had two more errors leading to goals more than Van Dijk (second place) over the whole season in a team with a hyper-progressive tactical setup.
At the same he produced the most progressive passes in the league.... two more than Van Dijk (again second place) in each game
More importantly he was second in key passes only behind our other "journeyman" (according to you).... Senesi
BigChiv9
Gregorz Rasiak
Having spent a good few working years interpreting statistics to suit my agenda (or more correctly my boss' agenda) I tend to be sceptical of the value of football statistics. This one about errors leading to goals seems fairly clear cut but is it?
I haven't seen anything which expresses the number of errors as a proportion of minutes played. Somebody that made 2 mistakes leading to goals over 1000 minutes played could perhaps more easily be tarred with the 'brain fart' epithet than someone who had made 3 mistakes over 3000 minutes played.
According to 'Football Critic' statistics, Van Hecke made 3 mistake leading to goals over 3211 minutes played in the PL. Romero made 1 over 1874 minutes and Danso 1 over 1400 minutes. That still averages out that Van Hecke made more more mistakes leading to goal per minute played than either of the others but is in necessary for a goal to have been scored to indicate a 'brain fart'? If we add in mistakes that led to chances we see that Van Hecke didn't make any so has a combined total of 3 critical errors. However Romero made 1 giving him a combined total of 2 errors and Danso 1 also giving him a combined total of 2. By that metric, both Romero and Danso were guilty of more 'brain farts' per minute played than Van Hecke.
We could also add in the number of times that they lost possession; Van Hecke: 10 times per 90 minutes, Romero:8.2 and Danso: 11.7. I guess that might be a function of their passing ability.
'Football Critic' calculates an average rating for every player; Van Hecke: 6.7, Romero: 6.8 and Danso: 6.6 and an overall ranking; Van Hecke: 87 (joint top with Saliba and Kusanov), Romero: 83 and Danso: 80
I am not saying that any of these numbers prove anything, more that it's not difficult to interpret statistics to suit your own particular prejudices.
I haven't seen anything which expresses the number of errors as a proportion of minutes played. Somebody that made 2 mistakes leading to goals over 1000 minutes played could perhaps more easily be tarred with the 'brain fart' epithet than someone who had made 3 mistakes over 3000 minutes played.
According to 'Football Critic' statistics, Van Hecke made 3 mistake leading to goals over 3211 minutes played in the PL. Romero made 1 over 1874 minutes and Danso 1 over 1400 minutes. That still averages out that Van Hecke made more more mistakes leading to goal per minute played than either of the others but is in necessary for a goal to have been scored to indicate a 'brain fart'? If we add in mistakes that led to chances we see that Van Hecke didn't make any so has a combined total of 3 critical errors. However Romero made 1 giving him a combined total of 2 errors and Danso 1 also giving him a combined total of 2. By that metric, both Romero and Danso were guilty of more 'brain farts' per minute played than Van Hecke.
We could also add in the number of times that they lost possession; Van Hecke: 10 times per 90 minutes, Romero:8.2 and Danso: 11.7. I guess that might be a function of their passing ability.
'Football Critic' calculates an average rating for every player; Van Hecke: 6.7, Romero: 6.8 and Danso: 6.6 and an overall ranking; Van Hecke: 87 (joint top with Saliba and Kusanov), Romero: 83 and Danso: 80
I am not saying that any of these numbers prove anything, more that it's not difficult to interpret statistics to suit your own particular prejudices.
Only from idiots and keyboard warriors, though...
Ace Face
Terry Yorath
Excellent post.
parj
Bobby Zamora
Totally agree. Statistics and opinion can all be shaped to suit an agenda.
He had the joint most errors along with the Brighton keeper, so it's more than likely a stylistic team thing than individual quality....
BigChiv9
Gregorz Rasiak
If anyone is interested, here is the link to the 'Football Critic' data. Despite my scepticism about what they show, it's interesting to compare Tonali and Bruno Guimares for passing, tackling etc.
Football Critic
Football Critic
parklane1
Teddy Sheringham
Well said. So many fans in todays game get so wrapped up in so called facts,stats that they think they all tell the full story. Having worked in the game for many years i can assure you that they rarely tell the whole story. They are a usful tool for sure but no more then that.
I'm not saying everyone has done that mate. But what I will say is that if you ask anyone who plays the game who the next big things are they will say Tel, Estevao and Evan Ferguson. Why? Because the stats which form the basis of that game show those three with the highest of high ceilings.