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Liverpool thread

tommysvr said:
Weird thing for him to come out with publicly but it feels like we don't have all of the information here. I also wouldn't dare play down the affect Jota's death had on the squad as a whole or any individuals.
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I appreciate a death of a colleague can have an effect on individuals but we all suffer that experience in our lives and have to carry on and support one another. These are people with massive egos and I think the Jota death is just a way of deflecting from their performances.
 
I think there are a number of issues at play here:

- The summer purchases have been poor in their start but also weird in their selection, WB at RB and two strikers who play almost entirely the same way, Wirtz, I am not even anywhere near convinced given the price tag.

- The ageing of the best, VVD looks a shadow of a player as does Salah, people say "legs don't go over night" but they do go usually after a pre season too many, and it seems that for both of them

- VVD tearing down confidence, I have not seen a game where he is not chewing out a player in a Liverpool shirt for his own mistakes, I think he is starting to have a massively negative impact on confidence

- Oldest trick in the book by Salah, after some poor results, come out and make it about the manager to try and vindicate yourself but also to garner fan and board support to oust someone who is testing you as a player...........seen it a million times in the game.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I appreciate a death of a colleague can have an effect on individuals but we all suffer that experience in our lives and have to carry on and support one another. These are people with massive egos and I think the Jota death is just a way of deflecting from their performances.
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Why do you think you're in any sort of position to decide how someone should feel about the sudden death of a friend that they spend just about literally every day with?

It's only because it's a rival football club. That's the only reason you think you're in that position.
 
kb 1984 said:
What doesn't make sense. Liverpool players seem to be using it as an excuse other clubs/ players don't. Not that difficult to understand
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What other clubs have a consolidation of 30, 40, 50 people who spent the last 2/3/4/5 years with him?

How do you know other players around the other clubs aren't struggling themselves?
 
tommysvr said:
What other clubs have a consolidation of 30, 40, 50 people who spent the last 2/3/4/5 years with him?

How do you know other players around the other clubs aren't struggling themselves?
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Wolves Atletico Madrid porto played for them & would have made friends for life don't see them out complaining or using it as an excuse
 
kb 1984 said:
I did I told you who he played for I told you he would have made friends at those clubs unless you think he only had friends at Liverpool.
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When did I ask you who he played for? I know who he played for. I also didn't say he only had friends at Liverpool...if only you'd read what I wrote.

Glad to know you're in the position to definitively say that his death isn't having any affect -- or if it is having an affect, how pathetic of them to use it as an excuse. Right?
 
Not really been following this lot closely of late, have they actually come out and used Jota as an excuse or people deciding they are using it as an excuse?
 
harr1984 said:
Not really been following this lot closely of late, have they actually come out and used Jota as an excuse or people deciding they are using it as an excuse?
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Some pundits on the BBC used it as an excuse

www.bbc.com

Mohamed Salah 'making it all about him' - Danny Murphy

Former Liverpool midfielder Danny Murphy says Mohamed Salah is "making it all about him" after the winger criticised the club and manager Arne Slot.
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harr1984 said:
Not really been following this lot closely of late, have they actually come out and used Jota as an excuse or people deciding they are using it as an excuse?
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Typically, it's mostly the media & fans deciding they're using as an excuse, I think. Slot came out this week, and spoke about it quite well: https://www.skysports.com/football/...at-how-reds-have-dealt-with-diogo-jotas-death

"The players and our fans and everyone connected to the football club… everybody has conducted themselves so well," said Slot.

"Every game in the 20th minute the fans sing for him. And from the moment it happened until now, I think I'm proud of how everyone has handled the situation. As a club, as players, as supporters, in my opinion, we couldn't have done better than we did.

"And I leave results completely out of this conversation."

Asked how tough it has been to keep coming into the Liverpool facilities, where Jota had been such an important presence, Slot said: "It is completely different than what's usual when you grieve. It's usually either someone's family or relative or a friend of yours, and then you come to your work and that's the place to forget the grief. And now that is the opposite.

"So now when they are here, the players, and us as a staff as well, [we] are much more confronted with it instead of when we are at home."

However, Slot was keen to put their own loss in relation to that of Jota's family.

"We all have to understand that if it's difficult for us, how hard is it for his family, for his wife, children, parents?

"Yes, it's hard for us, but for them it must be so hard.

"It's his birthday, Christmas is coming up, New Year's Eve, so it has been such a difficult year for them and this month will not be an exception to that."
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It's likely not the only thing contributing to their form, but the idea that anyone outside of their training ground can say with any certainty how much or how little it's contributing is genuinely laughable.
 
tommysvr said:
When did I ask you who he played for? I know who he played for. I also didn't say he only had friends at Liverpool...if only you'd read what I wrote.

Glad to know you're in the position to definitively say that his death isn't having any affect -- or if it is having an affect, how pathetic of them to use it as an excuse. Right?
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Only Liverpool seem to be using it as an excuse. Have Wolves come out & said out season is brick because our players & club are effected by jota death.
 
tommysvr said:
Typically, it's mostly the media & fans deciding they're using as an excuse, I think. Slot came out this week, and spoke about it quite well: https://www.skysports.com/football/...at-how-reds-have-dealt-with-diogo-jotas-death



It's likely not the only thing contributing to their form, but the idea that anyone outside of their training ground can say with any certainty how much or how little it's contributing is genuinely laughable.
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Thanks, I thought would be the case. Obviously it would impact them as a group and individually, to what extent who knows. But we are all impacted by grief in different ways and to different levels, so not really sure it's for any of us to decide how much of an 'excuse' it is.

What I do know is if the same happened at this club, considering some of the excuses I see served up for poor performances it would most definitely be used massively as an excuse. But as at is Liverpool....
 
tommysvr said:
Why do you think you're in any sort of position to decide how someone should feel about the sudden death of a friend that they spend just about literally every day with?

It's only because it's a rival football club. That's the only reason you think you're in that position.
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I'd imagine he feels he can because, like most of us, it's happened to him.

He probably did what the rest of us did - just get the fudge on with it.
 
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