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Johan Lange - Sporting Director

DubaiSpur said:
When Frank goes, serious consideration has to be given to tossing Lange, too. Frank's appointment seems deeply connected to Lange's influence, especially given the two worked closely together early in their careers. I also suspect the patience the club has for him stems in part from Lange protecting his mate.

Lange's judgement has to be called into question, as does his abysmal record overseeing the summer and January windows and the steady degradation of the squad under his tenure.

There's many people behind the wretched state we're in - blame is shared. But Johan Lange is a not insignificant reason for it.
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The club putting so much faith in Fab didn't help, what a waste of time that was.

What I will say is someone like Lange can only work within the framework they have, money v wages v availability, even then he might not have been enough in the job but I also suspect he was presenting options we had no clout or effort to get.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
The club putting so much faith in Fab didn't help, what a waste of time that was.

What I will say is someone like Lange can only work within the framework they have, money v wages v availability, even then he might not have been enough in the job but I also suspect he was presenting options we had no clout or effort to get.
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For sure mate - Frank talking about Semenyo in January was astounding to me in that respect. You're telling me Johan Lange's data-driven analysis identified as a target, one of the Premier League's most sought-after wingers, who was already locked into a move to City? And then when that fell through, he had *nobody* else as a backup? That's our dataset?

Either Frank was lying, Lange's atrocious at his job, or they're both trying to protect the people higher up.
 
DubaiSpur said:
For sure mate - Frank talking about Semenyo in January was astounding to me in that respect. You're telling me Johan Lange's data-driven analysis identified as a target, one of the Premier League's most sought-after wingers, who was already locked into a move to City? And then when that fell through, he had *nobody* else as a backup? That's our dataset?

Either Frank was lying, Lange's atrocious at his job, or they're both trying to protect the people higher up.
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It's the last bit because our ambitions dont match the players, after 25 years thats not on Lange or Frank.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
The club putting so much faith in Fab didn't help, what a waste of time that was.

What I will say is someone like Lange can only work within the framework they have, money v wages v availability, even then he might not have been enough in the job but I also suspect he was presenting options we had no clout or effort to get.
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Fab was Levy’s man. Lange is the Nepo’s pick

If Levy was still here so would Fab be picking player like Kulu
 
DTA said:
Fab was Levy’s man. Lange is the Nepo’s pick

If Levy was still here so would Fab be picking player like Kulu
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Im not getting into who was whose man

My point is that any role where you are charged of buying players is restricted by certain factors that isnt all on them

I get there is an element of the job which means they should pluck some gems out of the hat, but in persuading top players the club needs the status and the DOFs need money as leverage.

The club made its own confession that it wasn't doing enough to attract players on wages, so its not all Lange fault although he is not faultless
 
DubaiSpur said:
The bargain bin. Note that no one of note was after Lange or Hitchen, except us.

Whereas the sporting directors we had a decade ago (Edwards, Mitchell, etc.) all had long stints of being chased by big clubs across Europe. That was even true of Comolli.
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And who hired Edwards Mitchell and Comoli?
 
DTA said:
And who hired Edwards Mitchell and Comoli?
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Levy. He also hired Arnesen, whom Chelsea poached from us in 2004, and was in general a pioneer at bringing the DoF model to the Premier League. And in his early years, had a knack for appointing the right data-driven people in backroom positions (although not coaches).

None of this is new, I've said it before mate. He lost his touch around the time he lost Paul Mitchell - after that it was just a series of ever-worse choices, both in terms of coaches and in terms of staff.
 
Muttley said:
This is actually a very deep conversation. I never knocked Levy for backing his managers with budget. I did knock Levy with his football operational execution. I was also someone that knocked Levy for his financial phasing within his multi-year plan. Getting massive profits and giving big cheques to HMRC was just daft.

So we're in the summer of 2017 and we've just got 86 points and finished 2nd. One of our superstars, Walker, is leaving for City after some great service to our club and we need to make some key moves. What happened next was staggeringly bad. It was unprecedented.

Using Moura as an example. He made 221 appearances and only got 39 goals. He personified the average player that Spurs went for.

To my earlier point, we bought 6 players that year. If we had bought 2, we would have stood a much better chance of holding onto that top 4 status. It is what top 4 teams do.
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Ginola got 22 goals in 124 games. Very similar ratio. Yet there is a thread asking who was better him or bale. Go figure.
 
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