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Harry Winks
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thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Exactly, and shows why stats can be so utterly misleading. You can actually see from that diagram exactly where Newcash were defending. Imagine if he'd attacked those channel spaces a bit more; draws the rigid defensive shape out off position and allows Son and Moura pockets to dart into.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
tickle my balls with a feather.
metalgear
Nayim
that's how all our opponents want all our players to pass it - sideways only in the final third.
with our slow build up and lack of height in attack, and safe side way passing it is really turgid football, nothing of the audere est facere, we are supposed to be.
true spurs legends are football players who believe in the game of glory. as neat a footballer winks is, he will never be one.
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with our slow build up and lack of height in attack, and safe side way passing it is really turgid football, nothing of the audere est facere, we are supposed to be.
true spurs legends are football players who believe in the game of glory. as neat a footballer winks is, he will never be one.
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wiziwig
Steed Malbranque
Winks should look at Chelsea's second goal scored today versus Sheff Utd....Jorginho dinks one, in between the Sheff Utd's two center-halves*, causing them to panic and they both clatter into each other due to the presence of Abraham. He then goes on to score..
Liverpool's midfielders Milner and Henderson constantly do quick similar passes into the channels for Mane and Salah to feed off.. As long as the pass is not overhit out of play, the pass does not have to have pinpoint accuracy but just have enough to give the defenders a problem so that the attackers such as, Son and Moura are given a fair chance of getting something out of the situation.
* initially I thought it were a Sheff Utd full-back and center half that clattered into each other but the point is still the same..
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Bishop
Terry Venables
It's great for him to look at it, but he needs the technique to pull it off. I'm not convinced he has the confidence to attempt it along with the composure. I want him to to do it o really do but the more games he plays the more limited his passing game appears to be.
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wiziwig
Steed Malbranque
They're not difficult passes to make, if he can't make them he shouldn't be in the team..
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Wow, this bandwagons really rolling now isn’t it!
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Most scary really
When someone highlights a Chelsea midfielder who almost left the field in tears when we played them because he couldn’t handle pressure I wonder how football has changed
Was that his first assist for Chelsea today then as he didn’t get one last season
And Milner and Henderson regularly over hot passes as that’s not something their good at and basically miss their man
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
I think people just need to think back to some of the passes Winks played vs Madrid at Wembley two years to see what he is capable of.
Perhaps, like most in the team, he is playing within himself due to lack of confidence etc, but to say he doesn't have incisive passes in him is wrong.
Perhaps, like most in the team, he is playing within himself due to lack of confidence etc, but to say he doesn't have incisive passes in him is wrong.
Bishop
Terry Venables
You're not the first person to make reference to this mythical performance but there was really nothing special about any of the passes he made that night, they are of the same as he is making now, safe and tidy.
The difference with that game was the space he was always able to receive the ball in and the press resistance he displayed. Not his passing game, which was admittedly tidy but of the unadventurous type that he is criticised for now. I've even linked a clip of all his touches in that match to jog everyone's memory.
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StephenH
David Ginola
remember that if the formation/team setup is not working correctly space will not be created allowing the likes of Winks room to pass!
Its the collective/team that is paramount its why players at City may now play better than when they were at say, Chelsea e.g. Kevin De Bruyne
Its the collective/team that is paramount its why players at City may now play better than when they were at say, Chelsea e.g. Kevin De Bruyne
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Erm, i said the game vs Real Madrid at WEMBLEY!!
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
TBF he was excellent in both games
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Indeed he was; its a far cry from how he has been so far this season though, but we know he has it in him.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Crazy really.
wiziwig
Steed Malbranque
@Gazza Dazzla @Bedfordspurs
It's not about the players Jorghino, Henderson and Milner, I'm certainly not singing their praises.
I like Winks but I think he has to adapt his play to individual games, be instructed by Poch to be a bit more positive.
My point is that Winks is not attempting the quick vertical passes enough. He seems to be on automatic mode to take control of the ball and to then assess the situation for possession purposes, which is all good when up against quality opposition but not so important against the bus parking teams.. He needs to be attempting the quick vertical pass into the defensive channels against the likes of Villa and Saudi Sportswashing Machine, giving our forward players something to latch on to ..
It's not about the players Jorghino, Henderson and Milner, I'm certainly not singing their praises.
I like Winks but I think he has to adapt his play to individual games, be instructed by Poch to be a bit more positive.
My point is that Winks is not attempting the quick vertical passes enough. He seems to be on automatic mode to take control of the ball and to then assess the situation for possession purposes, which is all good when up against quality opposition but not so important against the bus parking teams.. He needs to be attempting the quick vertical pass into the defensive channels against the likes of Villa and Saudi Sportswashing Machine, giving our forward players something to latch on to ..
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Again teams don’t play like that against every team either
For some reason teams don’t park the bus deep vs pool. They play defensive but further forward. It could be because pool score early and we all know that early goal is vital
Jorginho IMO does not play any positive passes forward. I think he is bang average myself
Mosquito_Coasting
Jonathan Woodgate
There have been times where I’ve wondered if Winks isn’t just another Carroll or Mason (the way our youth department manufacture that style of player) but after last season I do think he’s a cut above. He’s allowed a drop in form.
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
So what is he doing then? He's not a DM, at least not a very good one, because he's not good at blocking off space, he's quite easy to get past, often doesn't track runners.
In current state he's pretty much useless. All he does is slow us down by endlessly passing sideways.