Guglielmo Vicario

[Mrs Vert]

It would be really nice today if Vic doesn't have a mare or shout at youngsters

 

[harr1984]

It would be really nice today if Vic doesn't have a mare or shout at youngsters

Yeah this would be a great time to comeback and have one of his good games. He will be tested today, we need him to have one of those performances he has where he makes a load of great saves....

 

[glasgowspur]

It wasn't at the wrong time, the whole point is to play that pass with an opposition player close to him - it's by design.

As for saying it's Gray's error well he was just stating the obvious, it's not like he's crucified him for it....

There's more than one way to break the press, gray pulled men with him leaving a gap, rather than play for gap Vic chose to play the most dangerous pass, that for me is on Vic.
Just because Frank thinks it's grays fault doesn't make it so, he can be wrong .

 

[glasgowspur]

Yeah this would be a great time to comeback and have one of his good games. He will be tested today, we need him to have one of those performances he has where he makes a load of great saves....

I'd rather he didn't have to, would be much more enjoyable to be up other and Vics only involvement is dramatically falling on the ball to kill time and annoy the scousers.

 

[harr1984]

There's more than one way to break the press, gray pulled men with him leaving a gap, rather than play for gap Vic chose to play the most dangerous pass, that for me is on Vic.
Just because Frank thinks it's grays fault doesn't make it so, he can be wrong .

Frank is the manager, Frank instructs the team how to play. So if Frank is saying Gray made the error then

1) It's because he did, he lost the ball no one else, and whilst the ball wasn't pin point perfect it wasn't bad either
2) It's how the manager wants us to play. Frank can't be wrong about how he wants his team to play, whether you agree with it or not.

If Frank didn't want Vicario to do what he did he would have said he made the error passing to Gray. Of course a manager can be wrong about things, but when talking about a breakdown from playing out then the manager knows better than anyone how he wants that to work, so he knows who made the error - it would be far easier for him to blame the keeper for it. He mentioned another example that was a Vicario 'mis-clearance' so he's quite happy to say when it's his error....

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yeah this would be a great time to comeback and have one of his good games. He will be tested today, we need him to have one of those performances he has where he makes a load of great saves....

Depends how many shots we let from distance

 

[Muttley]

I think there is a couple of aspects to this that may not have been considered.

When we see the passion that comes from Vic in the heat of the moment, I think it is quite easy to project British cultural values and call it wrong. The thing is, he's Italian. I do remember my first meeting in Rome sitting in a room full of Italians. Trust me, I was the anomaly who wasn't shouting passionately and waving my arms around. I was being British and acting a bit shocked.

The second aspect to consider is perhaps Frank might be giving Archie a life lesson. Perhaps he's making the young guy a bit harder as a person by subtly giving him the responsibility for the goal. I know when I've watched Archie I've seen the naivety of a genuinely good guy getting outdone by the older players that are more devious and more streetwise. I'm sure if you looked at a 20 year old Declan Rice, it wouldn't be that different from what we see with Archie.

 

[Baleforce]

Of course he's going to say that, he's told Vic to do it, it's Frank's mistake in the beginning.
Vicc can also follow instructions but do it badly or at the wrong time, that's still Vics mistake.
Either way if Frank has laid it on gray I see that as bad form, what's wrong with giving usual presser non answer.

It’s on Frank, we shouldn’t be passing the ball about at the back.

It’s idiotic high risk football.