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General Transfer Rumour Discussion Thread

harr1984 said:
So true. Sissoko would walk into our team. Would we turn our nose up at a load of top players because they're not perceived to press enough in the way 'Pochs system' works? Not at all...
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Did you watch England for a decade fail to get Lampard and Gerrard into the same side, when using Carrick would have made the team far more effective. Or how Carroll was such a spectacular failure at Liverpool (and Benteke will be too).

Systems trump individuals everytime IMO.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Did you watch England for a decade fail to get Lampard and Gerrard into the same side, when using Carrick would have made the team far more effective. Or how Carroll was such a spectacular failure at Liverpool (and Benteke will be too).

Systems trump individuals everytime IMO.
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IMO you can't really be certain that a certain player can't adapt to a certain system
 
Gutter Boy said:
Did you watch England for a decade fail to get Lampard and Gerrard into the same side, when using Carrick would have made the team far more effective. Or how Carroll was such a spectacular failure at Liverpool (and Benteke will be too).

Systems trump individuals everytime IMO.
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Playing two players in cm that compliment each other is different to talking about a system. Everyone keeps banging on about Pochs high pressing system, which was only evident in fits and starts anyway (granted,more time should be allowed). Messi or Ronaldo wouldn't exactly be high on the list of players who fit Pochs system but you would sign them if given the chance. Yes they are extreme examples but the point stands that talented players shouldn't be dismissed on the fact they don't fit this apparent system of Poch that he is trying to implement...
 
I can tell you a little about players, tactics and formations. In the 90's Norway had a brilliant coach named Egil "Drillo" Olsen. He played a very demanding system with focus on defending and counter-attacking on every possible occasion. He also picked players with very specific abilities. F.ex he placed a striker with exceptional arial ability as a winger, and a good long range passer at the opposite back position, so he could make long crosses. In midfeild he employed players with high stamina who mad lots of forward runs, to pick up the flick ons from the winger/forward. BUT he didn't always have those players available, but the system still worked, no matter who he placed in the system! The record speaks for itself: No home losses in qualifying games for a decade, beating nations like England, Netherlands, Poland, Germany, Czech rep., Italy, Spain and so on.

The point is, that he made a team of quite average players believe they could beat anyone if the players did the job they were asked to do. And no matter who he played, they did their job, even when they were played "out of position", and it worked.
 
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Kandi1977 said:
I can tell you a little about players, tactics and formations. In the 90's Norway had a brilliant coach named Egil "Drillo" Olsen. He played a very demanding system with focus on defending and counter-attacking on every possible occasion. He also picked players with very specific abilities. F.ex he placed a striker with exceptional arial ability as a winger, and a good long range passer at the opposite back position, so he could make long crosses. In midfeild he employed players with high stamina who mad lots of forward runs, to pick up the flick ons from the winger/forward. BUT he didn't always have those players available, but the system still worked, no matter who he placed in the system! The record speaks for itself: No home losses in qualifying games for a decade, beating nations like England, Netherlands, Poland, Germany, Czech rep., Italy, Spain and so on.

The point is, that he made a team of quite average players believe they could beat anyone if the players did the job they were asked to do. And no matter who he played, they did their job, even when they were played "out of position", and it worked.
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exactly my point
 
There is a point at which the trajectory potential of a 'system' meeting the trajectory potential of 'talent'.

Egil Olsen eventually hit a glass ceiling with Norway and he actually failed with Wimbledon - where he had a greater pool of players available (being at a club rather than an international role, with it inherent limitations of access to players)
 
Sissoko is a horrible player. No tactical awareness, lazy, thick and plays as though he's trying to control an air hockey puck. Just a head down athlete who comes up with the occasional highlight that masks how poor he is the rest of the time.
 
Yoof said:
Sissoko is a horrible player. No tactical awareness, lazy, thick and plays as though he's trying to control an air hockey puck. Just a head down athlete who comes up with the occasional highlight that masks how poor he is the rest of the time.
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dembele then?
 
harr1984 said:
So true. Sissoko would walk into our team. Would we turn our nose up at a load of top players because they're not perceived to press enough in the way 'Pochs system' works? Not at all...
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He would be a good signing for us, he can play box to box or a DM ( which we badly need).
 
Rorschach said:
Kramer would be nice.
Who spoke these things?
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The telegraph article linked above my post. They say that the party travelling to Germany are interested in Werner, but then also mentions that Kramer and Bender have been linked. Either of those two would be great with Kramer being my preference also, but whether we have a chance is another thing.
 
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