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Frank Give him time or get rid?

Thomas Frank give him time or get rid?

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Baleforce said:
A really stupid way of playing.

We looked like we could concede in any situation from anywhere on the pitch.

We are defending much better this season, because we are actually defending.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, I had deep passionate hatred for how we were setup to play last season.
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Don’t think I saw a performance last season where we defended as badly as we did yesterday.
 
Mikey10 said:
The myth of Angeball persists for some.

Go back and watch the tie against Telford in last season’s FA Cup (amongst many other examples) and remind yourself of how utterly, utterly shi t and clueless we were.
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The only difference between Ange-ball and Frank-ball is one of attacking, one is pragmatic. Both were poorly coached, both had injuries, both became predictable within 10 games.
 
parj said:
The only difference between Ange-ball and Frank-ball is one of attacking, one is pragmatic. Both were poorly coached, both had injuries, both became predictable within 10 games.
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The difference is, with Ange, if we could have kept the man management, winning mentality, and desire to entertain, but improved the coaching and the tactics, there was something worth working with.
With Frank....
 
Mikey10 said:
In patches, perhaps. That wasn’t my point, though.

I just find it remarkable that so many people seem to look back on the previous manager’s time as some sort of gilded utopia, and have forgotten the largely awful and naive football, the endless spats with fans, the embarrassingly rude and grumpy press conferences, the lack of an alternative plan….

It was dreadful, it was a continuation of the downward spiral this club has been in for many years, and the board allowed it to go on for far too long, hence the toxic mess that our home games have become. (Lest we forget, that toxicity in the stadium first developed through the course of last season).

Frank walked into a mess (let’s not kid ourselves that the EL win was anything other than papering over the cracks - and, as VDV recently told us, it was achieved by the senior players taking control). Unfortunately, it’s increasingly looking like he doesn’t have the support of enough fans, or perhaps the strength of personality, to turn things around. For me, that largely lands at the feet of the board yet again (due diligence and proper strategy was lacking, as on so many previous occasions); but it is also a reflection of a club which has turned itself into an absolute basket case.
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I think at the point of the City win, we were 7th, and within 3-4 points of 3rd and 4th.

It was only dreadful in the league after a historic and unprecedented injury crisis and a decision to focus on winning a trophy that would salvage something out of a season that otherwise the injuries would have completely ruined.

The home games are toxic the season but they didn’t need to be. The vibes in that parade were strong. Everyone felt happy and on the same team. Ange’s season 3 comment got a big cheer from the crowd and the players. Of course he would also have to get results. But I would say for the most part the parade showed that the fans understood everything that went on last season, and understood it was worth it in the end.

VDV’s comments have been interpreted one way but there’s another way to read them, in that in high level football the best managers will often listen to their best players. Those managers will understand the dynamics of the squad, who is able to influence who, and put a plan in place to carry it out. Ange did not lose the players.

I agree with everything you say in the second half of your last paragraph.
 
Lemonade Money said:
The difference is, with Ange, if we could have kept the man management, winning mentality, and desire to entertain, but improved the coaching and the tactics, there was something worth working with.
With Frank....
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So if we could only have changed the fundamentals of the manager’s core skill set (i.e. his coaching and his tactics) then all would have been fine…?

If only a metal tube had wings, an engine and a competent pilot then it could fly! 😃
 
Mikey10 said:
So if we could only have changed the fundamentals of the manager’s core skill set (i.e. his coaching and his tactics) then all would have been fine…?

If only a metal tube had wings, an engine and a competent pilot then it could fly! 😃
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I remember there were two games, maybe on the bounce but in interviews I think both Salah and maybe a Fulham player said the same thing in post match, about them knowing exactly how we would play and how to exploit it was the worst kept secret in football.
 
Baleforce said:
That’s subjective and impossible to know in advance, hence why mathematically safe is the most commonly used criteria.

Teams have pulled off incredible escapes before.
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Match week 30. Chosen because we had just lost, and Ipswich had won, so we would have looked safer the week before. We finished on 38 points in coasting mode as we prioritised Europe.
Ipswich would need to win 6 and draw 1 out of their remaining 8 games, if we hadn't taken the run in more seriously - realistically they needed 7 wins and a draw from 8 games. That's a bit more than an incredible escape, seeing as they'd won 4 games in the first 30 weeks.
 
Lemonade Money said:
The difference is, with Ange, if we could have kept the man management, winning mentality, and desire to entertain, but improved the coaching and the tactics, there was something worth working with.
With Frank....
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I agree. For me it was just drop the defensive line back 10 yards and sit Bents in front of them - then Ange-ball could have worked
 
parj said:
I agree. For me it was just drop the defensive line back 10 yards and sit Bents in front of them - then Ange-ball could have worked
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It would have been better. But we would still have been pretty limp in attack. Throwing numbers forward is no substitute for coaching on synchronised movement.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I remember there were two games, maybe on the bounce but in interviews I think both Salah and maybe a Fulham player said the same thing in post match, about them knowing exactly how we would play and how to exploit it was the worst kept secret in football.
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Didn’t Gary O’Neil say it too when he was in charge of Wolves?
 
Lemonade Money said:
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Match week 30. Chosen because we had just lost, and Ipswich had won, so we would have looked safer the week before. We finished on 38 points in coasting mode as we prioritised Europe.
Ipswich would need to win 6 and draw 1 out of their remaining 8 games, if we hadn't taken the run in more seriously - realistically they needed 7 wins and a draw from 8 games. That's a bit more than an incredible escape, seeing as they'd won 4 games in the first 30 weeks.
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Sorry to use your post as a jumping off point to head in a different direction. Really agree with you on your point well made.

30 games, 34 points...

Currently we're on 27 points after 22 games. So we need another 7 points from the next 8 games to be on equal points to last season after 30 games. Looking at the fixture list and our recent results doesn't look exactly guaranteed.
 
braineclipse said:
Sorry to use your post as a jumping off point to head in a different direction. Really agree with you on your point well made.

30 games, 34 points...

Currently we're on 27 points after 22 games. So we need another 7 points from the next 8 games to be on equal points to last season after 30 games. Looking at the fixture list and our recent results doesn't look exactly guaranteed.
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We have 9 points from our last 10 games. This seems way more worrying than last year.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
If it was so easily exploitable then why up to December of his second season where we actually doing quite well?
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It's a sound bite winning players and managers have given many times 'We knew what they were going to do and we were setup for it' blah blah and not specific to games against Spurs/Ange by any stretch.

It's nothing new, with all the analysis in today's game everyone knows how practically every team is going to setup....
 
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