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[scaramanga]

Or the populist view of hiding your bigotry behind pretending it's economics and it's really deeply rooted hatred of people who look different.

I don't, and have never had, a dislike of people who look different (except gingers, they're disgusting).

You're confusing my dislike of stone age misogyny/homophobia with racism. I reserve the same depth of disgust for all skin tones within those dangerous murder cults.

 

[LutonSpurs]

I don't, and have never had, a dislike of people who look different (except gingers, they're disgusting).

You're confusing my dislike of stone age misogyny/homophobia with racism. I reserve the same depth of disgust for all skin tones within those dangerous murder cults.

You literally support a religious ethno state in Israel. Your depth of disgust with religous extremisim is entirely inconsistent.

 

[scaramanga]

You literally support a religious ethno state in Israel. Your depth of disgust with religous extremisim is entirely inconsistent.

If anyone of any religion (or none) wishes to stand for election in Israel they can. If the people choose to vote for that person (their party), they can form a government.

There's a gulf between there being a government with some religious people in it and a theocracy.

 

[LutonSpurs]

If anyone of any religion (or none) wishes to stand for election in Israel they can. If the people choose to vote for that person (their party), they can form a government.

There's a gulf between there being a government with some religious people in it and a theocracy.

You don't know how Israel works do you. The level of disdain for facts on what is a defacto apartheid state is nuts. And it is a theocracy based on Jewish supremacy.

 

[scaramanga]

You don't know how Israel works do you. The level of disdain for facts on what is a defacto apartheid state is nuts. And it is a theocracy based on Jewish supremacy.

Citizens are not required to be a part of any religion - it's very much not a theocracy.

I don't know what you think apartheid means, but it's not what you think it means. Arab Israelis can vote, run for office, serve in the military, form a government, etc. Stop listening to buzzwords from raft-dwelling retards and have a think about what you're saying. Read up on how black South Africans were treated during apartheid and then compare to some actual, real world examples of the rights held by non-Jews in Israel.

Throwing around unfounded accusations like Apartheid only serves to make you sound foolish and insults those who really did have to live through it.

 

[Finney Is Back]

You don't know how Israel works do you. The level of disdain for facts on what is a defacto apartheid state is nuts. And it is a theocracy based on Jewish supremacy.

Not being Israeli or jewish I'm not close to being an expert on all things Israel. However, I had always thought Israel was a democratic and reasonably tolerant state that allowed all faiths to be practiced and all citizens to be educated, work and vote whatever their race, religion, gender or sexuality?

 

[LutonSpurs]

Citizens are not required to be a part of any religion - it's very much not a theocracy.

I don't know what you think apartheid means, but it's not what you think it means. Arab Israelis can vote, run for office, serve in the military, form a government, etc. Stop listening to buzzwords from raft-dwelling retards and have a think about what you're saying. Read up on how black South Africans were treated during apartheid and then compare to some actual, real world examples of the rights held by non-Jews in Israel.

Throwing around unfounded accusations like Apartheid only serves to make you sound foolish and insults those who really did have to live through it.

Not being Israeli or jewish I'm not close to being an expert on all things Israel. However, I had always thought Israel was a democratic and reasonably tolerant state that allowed all faiths to be practiced and all citizens to be educated, work and vote whatever their race, religion, gender or sexuality?

Legal experts across the world and human rights orgs call it apartheid. I think it may be worth you trying to understand what the word means Scara. Do you need help understanding? Shall I explain? I can the same way people explained HR laws to you but you ran off for a hiatus.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Here is a list of real information. Read it please if you are interested

Israeli apartheid factsheet

Why do we refer to Israel as an apartheid state?

waronwant.org

 

[scaramanga]

Legal experts across the world and human rights orgs call it apartheid. I think it may be worth you trying to understand what the word means Scara. Do you need help understanding? Shall I explain? I can the same way people explained HR laws to you but you ran off for a hiatus.

As you were the one making the accusations why don't you detail what you think apartheid is and how it applies to Israel.

 

[scaramanga]

Here is a list of real information. Read it please if you are interested

Israeli apartheid factsheet

Why do we refer to Israel as an apartheid state?

waronwant.org

Did you read the article?

In order to make their mental gymnastics work, they had to include Gaza and the West Bank as a part of Israel. My belief was that you don't think Gaza and the West Bank are a part of Israel. Is that true?

 

[LutonSpurs]

Did you read the article?

In order to make their mental gymnastics work, they had to include Gaza and the West Bank as a part of Israel. My belief was that you don't think Gaza and the West Bank are a part of Israel. Is that true?

Fek me. Do you know what the Nation State Basic Law is in Israel? Try the law of return. These are all 2 tier systems for Jews and non Jews.

And yes West Bank is Palestine but it is illegally occupied and governed by Israel illegally. And they have an apartheid system in the West Bank. And you think the West Bank is East Israel.

Now change the subject if you want but you are so uneducated on Israel and still hold so many views on it, it's laughable.

I know you were the big man on here and have some how managed to convince yourself you are intelligent rather than a nepo baby who inherited his family business but you are not grounded in facts. You can type English well. But the substance is almost always BS or lies lol. What's wrong wit you?

 

[LutonSpurs]

Just FYI, Scara is now going to disagree with legal experts because he supports Zionism. He supports Zionism, the extreme religious doctrine but hates all other religions. He is genuinely not able to admit his views on religion and his views on the Israeli theocracy make him come across as thick. But hey. Scara has been getting embarrassed on here for years. Let's carry on embarassing him until he bans me.

 

[Finney Is Back]

@LutonSpurs you laughed at my post but I'm interested in what about the post you found laughable?

Do you disagree that Israel operates a democracy where all faiths are allowed to be practiced and all citizens can be educated, work and vote whatever their race, religion, gender or sexuality?

 

[scaramanga]

Fek me. Do you know what the Nation State Basic Law is in Israel? Try the law of return. These are all 2 tier systems for Jews and non Jews.

Yes, I do know what the Nation State law is.

I also know that, because Israel is a functioning secular democracy, its own Supreme Court ruled that this law must be viewed and treated in a manner that results in equal rights for all. There have been cases of people trying to use the law to discriminate but it repeatedly gets beaten down in court.

And yes West Bank is Palestine but it is illegally occupied and governed by Israel illegally. And they have an apartheid system in the West Bank. And you think the West Bank is East Israel.

So how can Israel be an apartheid state if what you're talking about isn't even in Israel?

People in the West Bank are treated differently because they won't accept the area as part of Israel. If that area were fully part of Israel then it would be subject to the same laws (and therefore fairness) as the rest of the country.

That article also had to lump in Gaza to get their ridiculous suggestions to work. I assume you're not claiming that land on behalf of Israel?

Now change the subject if you want but you are so uneducated on Israel and still hold so many views on it, it's laughable.

You're funny. I like chatting with you, it's quite entertaining.

I know you were the big man on here and have some how managed to convince yourself you are intelligent rather than a nepo baby who inherited his family business but you are not grounded in facts. You can type English well. But the substance is almost always BS or lies lol. What's wrong wit you?

What's a Nepo thingy when it goes in the other direction? That's what happened, but I'm not sure you'd understand the complexities, so I'll leave it there.

What I've set out for you isn't that hard to understand. I've tried to help you by recommending you don't take your opinions from selfie-obsessed, raft-dwelling retards but you're not helping yourself. Have a proper read (not from activist websites) about how Israel's democracy works. Have a read about how its Supreme Court regularly protects the rights of all citizens. There's at least one Arab judge on the SC, there's Arab MPs, there's hundreds of Arabs fighting (by choice) in their army. Now go have a read about the rights of black South Africans during apartheid. They couldn't vote, they couldn't use "white" toilets, they couldn't even use the same fudging drinking fountains.

Just have some common sense before trying to compare the two and ignore everyone trying to care really loudly.

 

[Baleforce]

Just FYI, Scara is now going to disagree with legal experts because he supports Zionism. He supports Zionism, the extreme religious doctrine but hates all other religions. He is genuinely not able to admit his views on religion and his views on the Israeli theocracy make him come across as thick. But hey. Scara has been getting embarrassed on here for years. Let's carry on embarassing him until he bans me.

You are better than that Luton.

It's not a religious doctrine, it's merely supporting the idea that Jewish people, whether they have faith of any cut or not, have the right to their own state.

 

[Grays_1890]

It might if the options of others mattered.

In this case though, this is just another symptom of the Gen Z/millennial disease of "I don't like their opinion so I'll just jump up and down and scream racist until they go away"

TBF, that claim would be right for a few.......because equally people can't just claim calling a racist is a leftist disease, there are plenty about to be called that.

People on here defended Tommy Robinson when it was claimed he was one............he is a massive racist, im sorry but by many metrics, that's suspect behaviour

 

[DTA]

@LutonSpurs you laughed at my post but I'm interested in what about the post you found laughable?

Do you disagree that Israel operates a democracy where all faiths are allowed to be practiced and all citizens can be educated, work and vote whatever their race, religion, gender or sexuality?

This falls down completely when you look at the West Bank. If it’s not part of Israel, then what are the settlers doing there? What are the Israeli soldiers doing actively oppressing the Palestinians there?

Do the Palestinians have the same rights and privileges and protections as the settlers? If not why not?

If it is part of Israel, do the Arabs there have the right to vote in Israel?

I have deliberately left out Gaza because of Hamas.but there is a discussion there about BIBI’s support for Hamas - to the point of asking Qatar to keep funding them even when Qatar was explicitly wanting to stop

 

[Finney Is Back]

This falls down completely when you look at the West Bank. If it’s not part of Israel, then what are the settlers doing there? What are the Israeli soldiers doing actively oppressing the Palestinians there?

Do the Palestinians have the same rights and privileges and protections as the settlers? If not why not?

If it is part of Israel, do the Arabs there have the right to vote in Israel?

I have deliberately left out Gaza because of Hamas.but there is a discussion there about BIBI’s support for Hamas - to the point of asking Qatar to keep funding them even when Qatar was explicitly wanting to stop

So you consider the West Bank to be part of Israel? I'm pretty sure it's not (though I confess I'm not very knowledgeable on Israel and the Middle East, perhaps the borders are different to what I understand them to be?)

Personally I consider neither the West Bank or Gaza to be part of Israel. Hence the citizens of both regions are not Israeli citizens and therefore do not have the same rights as the citizens of Israel, where people of all colours, faiths, sexes and sexualities have the same rights, which is more than can be said for many of the countries surrounding them.

 

[DTA]

So you consider the West Bank to be part of Israel? I'm pretty sure it's not (though I confess I'm not very knowledgeable on Israel and the Middle East, perhaps the borders are different to what I understand them to be?)

Personally I consider neither the West Bank or Gaza to be part of Israel. Hence the citizens of both regions are not Israeli citizens and therefore do not have the same rights as the citizens of Israel, where people of all colours, faiths, sexes and sexualities have the same rights, which is more than can be said for many of the countries surrounding them.

Ok the West Bank is not part of Israel then. So what are Israeli citizens “settlers” doing there? What is the IDF doing there? Why does the IDF protect those “settlers” even when they are committing crimes against the West Banks Arab inhabitants, forcibly removing them from their land to build new settlements.

 

[scaramanga]

TBF, that claim would be right for a few.......because equally people can't just claim calling a racist is a leftist disease, there are plenty about to be called that.

People on here defended Tommy Robinson when it was claimed he was one............he is a massive racist, im sorry but by many metrics, that's suspect behaviour

True, but many of those same people who (rightly) called Tommy Robinson racist also accuse Nigel Farage of the same, despite him refusing to have anything to do with Robinson because he's a racist.