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FIFA: Destroying Football Since 1904

MartyFunkhouser said:
VAR is awful. Not fit for purpose, but Trump picking up the phone to influence FIFA isnt even comparable, its an absolute shocker,
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Sure, but my point was that Trump wouldn’t have even done so, or thought it worth expending the political capital to do it, if he didn’t think he could win, and if he didn’t think most Americans would agree with him. VAR gave him that opportunity, is my point. Trump isn’t going to make the call if most reasonable people accept it was a red card.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Well that’s my whole issue and we can agree to disagree on that. If you’re only looking at the freeze frame then yes it’s terrible. But if you look at it in real time it’s just two players fighting for the ball, in a contact sport, and something unfortunate happened. That’s my view. I don’t see why that has to be a red.

Is there anything that can happen on the football pitch in this context sport that wouldn’t be a red if the freeze frame suggested it looked bad in your view? I’m genuinely curious. I just think there are some instances, and they will be rare, where it’s just way out of proportion to punish the player with a sensing off. A booking and a directive to be careful sure. But sending off and suspension for something he couldn’t help, because the Bosnia player was sticking his foot in as much as he was? Just seems way over the top.
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yep we can agree to disagree

no

had it been his ankle then the Bosnian player should have been sent off for the same reason
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Sure, but my point was that Trump wouldn’t have even done so, or thought it worth expending the political capital to do it, if he didn’t think he could win, and if he didn’t think most Americans would agree with him. VAR gave him that opportunity, is my point. Trump isn’t going to make the call if most reasonable people accept it was a red card.
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I think you vastly misjudge trump
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
And he’s supposed to make that calculation in less than a second. Knowing exactly what the Bosnia player will do? It’s not a reasonable standard to hold. It’s a contact sport, and sometimes bad things happen.
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yes they do, and thats why we have fouls and red and yellow cards

it's ok to get booked, it's ok to get sent off, thats the game
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Sure, but my point was that Trump wouldn’t have even done so, or thought it worth expending the political capital to do it, if he didn’t think he could win, and if he didn’t think most Americans would agree with him. VAR gave him that opportunity, is my point. Trump isn’t going to make the call if most reasonable people accept it was a red card.
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Mate. You are talking nonsense. Mistakes or not, regardless how bad VAR may be......and I hate it.

He shouldn't be weilding his political influence on football, I dont care how questionable the decision was. The two are separate in the ethics of it all
 
Baleforce said:
I think you vastly misjudge trump
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I don’t think I do. I don’t think his advisors would have been brought this incident to his attention if it was a cut and dry bad tackle.

I live in America. And most people I know, plenty who are not Trump fans, thought it was a very unfair red card and are delighted that Balogun can play. If those same people thought Balogun was unfortunate but deserved the punishment, I don’t think Trump does it. He saw an opportunity to throw his weight around and it worked.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Mate. You are talking nonsense. Mistakes or not, regardless how bad VAR may be......and I hate it.

He shouldn't be weilding his political influence on football, I dont care how questionable the decision was. The two are separate in the ethics of it all
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Ok it’s separate, but that’s not what I’m saying. I’m not saying I like it (in fact I’m saying I don’t!!!) I’m saying that in Trump’s mind, it’s very likely he would not have called Infantino if most reasonable people accepted it was a red card.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I don’t think I do. I don’t think his advisors would have been brought this incident to his attention if it was a cut and dry bad tackle.

I live in America. And most people I know, plenty who are not Trump fans, thought it was a very unfair red card and are delighted that Balogun can play. If those same people thought Balogun was unfortunate but deserved the punishment, I don’t think Trump does it. He saw an opportunity to throw his weight around and it worked.
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why the fudge are advisors to the potus worrying about a football tournament

it's unhinged

it has incredible consequences for the future of sport in the united states

it is tyranny manifest
 
Baleforce said:
yes they do, and thats why we have fouls and red and yellow cards

it's ok to get booked, it's ok to get sent off, thats the game
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Yes and this just goes back to my original criticism. I think slowing down frame by frame to get to the still image that proves all guilt is just not the way VAR should be used. It removes all context and reasonable expectations of the players.

In my view it was a yellow, not a red. Because ‘the game’ is becoming more and more reffed after the fact and seemingly officials are finding excuses to send players off when they don’t really need to. I think pre VAR, even if they slowed down the footage on the post match punditry, I don’t think you’re getting any reasonable analyst in any country saying it’s a red. VAR has changed the standard.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I’m sure he wouldn’t have.
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And there it is, the crux of why its an issue. He has bought the whole tournament into disrepute

There is no "says as much about VAR as it does about him" one is a mistake, this is full on corruption of a tournament by the host nation throwing political power about.

You are seeing a lineal story when the reality is there is a much BIGGER issue at play in all this than VAR being wrong to enable it
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Yes and this just goes back to my original criticism. I think slowing down frame by frame to get to the still image that proves all guilt is just not the way VAR should be used. It removes all context and reasonable expectations of the players.

In my view it was a yellow, not a red. Because ‘the game’ is becoming more and more reffed after the fact and seemingly officials are finding excuses to send players off when they don’t really need to. I think pre VAR, even if they slowed down the footage on the post match punditry, I don’t think you’re getting any reasonable analyst in any country saying it’s a red. VAR has changed the standard.
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I don't think the game should be officiated on context, I believe it should be officiated on objective facts, were these criteria met, if so the sanction is x

and I think if a player's studs ever make contact with another player's ankle, it should be a red card
 
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