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Equal Pay/Equality

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Scott Parker
Really getting on my tits hearing that women should be promoted for the sake of being women ahead of others. What about finding the best person for the job?

Seeing licence fees go towards hearing such drivel is also pretty annoying.

I was listening to the radio where somecontinueke one in three have been sexually assulted apparently since age 15. Would love to see what they are classing as sexual assult before stating such a fact in a news bulletin.

Also on the radio was a bleeding heart liberal who was moaning that there are too many male presenters, and so they should be put out of a job in favour of women. How about finding out what the paying licence fee holder wants?

Finally, I am sick of hearing and reading 'England star scores hatrick etc' or 'England did well last night' before being led into a piece involving womens football. I would like to know prior as to what the news piece is about and decide whether it is of interest to me to continue.
 
I suppose my question here is, how many here think it is right for auch measures to overlook the best candidates in such a way
 
It should be equal pay and equal opportunity.

The most suitable candidate ( all things considered ) should get the job.

My 2 Kenyan cents
 
I agree on that, without doubt, there are already anti discrimination laws, but to go further and put people out of work because they are male has discrimination written all over it.
 
affirmative action is just as bad as racism/sexism/etc IMO

just hire the right person for the job, how hard can it be
 
galeforce said:
affirmative action is just as bad as racism/sexism/etc IMO

just hire the right person for the job, how hard can it be
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The problem with positive discrimination is that it damages the very cause it's trying to further.

Look at politics. The last two governments have both included utterly terrible female politicians in their cabinets in some kind of attempt to be more 'equal' than the other.

The result of this is that now much of the public (wrongly) believes that women make poor cabinet members. Had those governments just let the best person for each job get that job, there'd be fewer women in the cabinet, but those who were would actually be capable of doing their jobs.
 
I agree with what has been said about Affirmative Action so far. Equal Pay is an interesting issue.

Women choose jobs that have more flexible hours, they move in and out of the labour market, and men in full time work average more hours per week than women in full time work.

I don't believe there is no discrimination against women, but when figures like the Gender Pay Gap are mentioned the contributing factors besides discrimination are rarely spoken about.

As for equality as a concept, I think Milton Freidman said it best.

[video=youtube;pKxCWheH5Vk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKxCWheH5Vk[/video]
 
The gender pay gap is largely a fallacy that doesn't take into account the fact that males more often do the tougher, smellier and more dangerous jobs which accordingly have a higher pay, and also the unsaid FACT that we are for the most part better at our jobs than female counterparts.
 
Nothing like straight, midddle aged white males complaining about discrimination :lol:

Classic
 
It is a recurring theme in this country, and it comes up in discussions in racism as well. The faux outrage is hilarious.

Any thread on this board where a 'minority' group receives attention about the discrimination they face is often filled with abuse, dismissal and sometimes vitriol from the majority straight, middle aged, white males on this board, the dominant social group world wide and the one that receives least discrimination. Any attempt to correct disparities is seen as an affront, because it threatens the dominant position held by this group.

The Rooney rule is an excellent example of the problem with letting the system sort itself out without some kind of encouragement. How many black coaches were there in the NFL before it came in? Most likely because subconsciously at best or consciously at worst, people thought white coaches made more cerebral, better coaches. The evidence since has disproved that theory.

I bet NFL forums at the time were filled with all the usual hate filled crap at the time it was implemented too.
 
Hootnow said:
It is a recurring theme in this country, and it comes up in discussions in racism as well. The faux outrage is hilarious.

Any thread on this board where a 'minority' group receives attention about the discrimination they face is often filled with abuse, dismissal and sometimes vitriol from the majority straight, middle aged, white males on this board, the dominant social group world wide and the one that receives least discrimination. Any attempt to correct disparities is seen as an affront, because it threatens the dominant position held by this group.

The Rooney rule is an excellent example of the problem with letting the system sort itself out without some kind of encouragement. How many black coaches were there in the NFL before it came in? Most likely because subconsciously at best or consciously at worst, people thought white coaches made more cerebral, better coaches. The evidence since has disproved that theory.

I bet NFL forums at the time were filled with all the usual hate filled crap at the time it was implemented too.
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Spot on well said.
 
Hootnow said:
It is a recurring theme in this country, and it comes up in discussions in racism as well. The faux outrage is hilarious.

Any thread on this board where a 'minority' group receives attention about the discrimination they face is often filled with abuse, dismissal and sometimes vitriol from the majority straight, middle aged, white males on this board, the dominant social group world wide and the one that receives least discrimination. Any attempt to correct disparities is seen as an affront, because it threatens the dominant position held by this group.

The Rooney rule is an excellent example of the problem with letting the system sort itself out without some kind of encouragement. How many black coaches were there in the NFL before it came in? Most likely because subconsciously at best or consciously at worst, people thought white coaches made more cerebral, better coaches. The evidence since has disproved that theory.

I bet NFL forums at the time were filled with all the usual hate filled crap at the time it was implemented too.
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The Rooney rule has worked incredibly well. Surely though, you can't deny that the female cabinet members example I gave has done the opposite?
 
scaramanga said:
The Rooney rule has worked incredibly well. Surely though, you can't deny that the female cabinet members example I gave has done the opposite?
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They've had mostly terrible female cabinet members. However, we have also had generally ****ing terrible cabinets, of both men and women, and public trust in our 650 MPs, (most of them oh what a surprise! Rich, middle-old aged, straight, white males, a significant number of them educated in the same places in the same topics) has likely rarely been lower.

It has little to do with positively discriminating for the women (especially as our houses of parliament still contains only 20% female representation, an absolutely pathetic number considering how we like to portray ourselves as beacons of female rights) and much more to do with how incompetent most of those macarons are generally.
 
Paxtonloudmouth said:
Oh dear what ? The man is a ****,and in recent years his theories have been proved wrong. Bailing out the banks was an act of socialism no two ways about it. Something the right can never admit.
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The fact the one of the greatest minds the human race has ever produced can be so quickly dismissed by an anonymous forum poster with a chip on his shoulder is laughable at best, a little depressing even.

And nothing you suggest has been proven whatsoever, simply over the last few years the Internet has given a (loud, shouty) voice to people that were previously not listened to - especially not in educated fields such as economics.
 
Hootnow said:
They've had mostly terrible female cabinet members. However, we have also had generally ****ing terrible cabinets, of both men and women, and public trust in our 650 MPs, (most of them oh what a surprise! Rich, middle-old aged, straight, white males, a significant number of them educated in the same places in the same topics) has likely rarely been lower.

It has little to do with positively discriminating for the women (especially as our houses of parliament still contains only 20% female representation, an absolutely pathetic number considering how we like to portray ourselves as beacons of female rights) and much more to do with how incompetent most of those macarons are generally.
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So surely that would have been the perfect time for the excellent female politicians to rise to the top? Nobody trusted/liked the middle aged men in charge, there was a massive opportunity there. And there are some fantastic female MPs that I've worked with - Sarah McCarthy-Fry for example (despite being an MP for the other lot).

Without the positive discrimination that put so many terrible female cabinet members to the front, these other, excellent women may have stood a better chance.
 
scaramanga said:
The fact the one of the greatest minds the human race has ever produced can be so quickly dismissed by an anonymous forum poster with a chip on his shoulder is laughable at best, a little depressing even.

And nothing you suggest has been proven whatsoever, simply over the last few years the Internet has given a (loud, shouty) voice to people that were previously not listened to - especially not in educated fields such as economics.
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One of the greatest mind the world has ever produced? Ohh please all he was doing was formulating pre existing neo liberal economics for the American market,which is itself a rehashing of the ideas of Ricardo and Smith albeit in a more ugly and vulgar form . In fact if anyone was a genius in this field it was Hayek. However if you think Friedman is one of the greatest minds the world has produced I would recommend reading a book or two. I am guessing you would argue that Friedman is a greater genius than a man such as Marx which is utterly risible.

As for my education,don't doubt it. I would back my education to be at least the equal of yours.
 
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