I find it wild that with our injuries there were not even a couple of loans available for us. We’ve got 4 or 5 teenagers on the bench with barely any premier league minutes between them, how can it be no one is available off someone else’s bench in a World Cup year till summer.
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I find it wild that with our injuries there were not even a couple of loans available for us. We’ve got 4 or 5 teenagers on the bench with barely any premier league minutes between them, how can it be no one is available off someone else’s bench in a World Cup year till summer.
Baleforce
Terry Naylor
have to take squad registration into consideration, are we getting a better player back from injury soon that we would have to take out to free the space
metalgear
Barry Daines
has to be lange's call and he bought souza
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
What is crazy to me is Lange coming out and saying that the next manager has to play more attractive football. I appreciate him actually fronting up publicly but this is just crazy to me.
You make a big thing of the fact that as a club you interviewed 30 people, against ten criteria, and Frank was the clear stand out. Then you stick by him despite disastrous form and seemingly no buy in from the players. And you wait until after the transfer window to make a change, so until 2 weeks ago you’re still pretty sure that this guy is the right guy.
And now he’s gone it’s all ‘we need to play more attractive football’ again?? What on earth was going on in that boardroom.
I would've thought attractive style of football would be near the top of the criteria when selecting Frank and not just for the next guy.
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
fudging absolute amateur hour. I still think we won’t go down but it is a distinct possibility. If we do, we’ll be the gold standard in case studies of how incompetence outweighed vast resources to result in catastrophic unachievement.
All things being equal, the way we’ve been run, we deserve to go down.
See in most cases I’d say probably not. I don’t think Maddison or Kukusevski are back this season with all the set backs they seem to get.
I think there must have been a player on loan who could have added something. I honestly think the owners and board still feel there’s no chance of us going down.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
You’d think so wouldn’t you?
And then Frank talking about ‘adding layers’ in his press conferences. Was this the same like he gave the board in his interviews? It’s either gaslighting. Or him thinking he’s being clever by fobbing off reasonable questions about style with some phrase that doesn’t really mean anything.
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
Just got home. On the flight back, I got more and more wound up by how we ended up here and the very real prospect that we could be relegated.
Some of the decisions from the club, especially when they’ll be viewed through the prism of hindsight, are going to look beyond incompetent and reckless.
It also occurred to me that if Levy had been in charge, we wouldn’t be in this bad of a mess. Not that he doesn’t have responsibility here, he absolutely does. But if he was in charge, Frank would have gone in December when Paratici apparently wanted him gone.
Even if we’d reached January, Levy would have done something to buy our way out of trouble like he did in 2009 for example. Why? Because Levy owns probably about 1bn worth of the club and he wasn’t going to stand by and watch hundreds of millions wiped off of his investment.
The decision to sack Levy, in terms of the timing, the manner and the way his the void was filled was a disaster for this club.
Some of the decisions from the club, especially when they’ll be viewed through the prism of hindsight, are going to look beyond incompetent and reckless.
It also occurred to me that if Levy had been in charge, we wouldn’t be in this bad of a mess. Not that he doesn’t have responsibility here, he absolutely does. But if he was in charge, Frank would have gone in December when Paratici apparently wanted him gone.
Even if we’d reached January, Levy would have done something to buy our way out of trouble like he did in 2009 for example. Why? Because Levy owns probably about 1bn worth of the club and he wasn’t going to stand by and watch hundreds of millions wiped off of his investment.
The decision to sack Levy, in terms of the timing, the manner and the way his the void was filled was a disaster for this club.
Rorschach
Mel Hopkins
I was a bit in denial about that too, but today I changed my mind. I think we may be fudged. I didn't see any real improvement or noticeable change in motivation, mindset, or ethos that one often sees when a new guy takes charge. I do not doubt that Tudor and his coaches had been working hard to get the players in the right frame of mind in the run-up to this match, but their message did not land, it would seem. He needs to get them fired up soon before it is too late.
Mrs Vert
Mauricio Taricco
They made more of an "effort" today but quality is still an issue. Our bench is hilarious. The youngsters who could help are on loan.
I had half tapped in Dec after forest. I really tapped out after spam.
It really will come down to hoping Leeds or forest are worst. Its out of our hands.
I dont know what ENIC plan is. But it couldnt go more wrong if they tried. And I hope all their greed and dunceness bites them in their ass. Unfortunately for us it would mean playing QPR next season
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Mrs Vert
Mauricio Taricco
Didn't Lange said we have everyone coming back soon so its fine??! Even tho its end of March and April? And our estimations are rarely right as it is.
As per usual.....Brilliant planning
Mrs Vert
Mauricio Taricco
Nothing at all. Being macarons is what's going on
Mrs Vert
Mauricio Taricco
Some decisions didn't need hindsight. Everyone on this board has more common sense than them lot.
But agree with you! And also dont know where you travelling to. But sorry you went thru all that for this.
I was upset I wasted 30min drive and petrol to watch it with other spurs fans. But I now go back to not watching another game and keeping my weekends happy
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
I agree with you. Seems like you are in a similar place to me after my podcast binge a week or so ago!
I do think sacking Levy has so much to do with this. I didn’t think it would cause such an issue, but it does seem blatantly obvious that losing A, someone who was a clear, decisive decision maker with authority in the club and B, someone who had 25 years of club and football knowledge built up…it was a bad idea to just let that person go. Especially when it also meant that we lose Paratici. It then means we’re stuck with Lange who seems to be good at identifying young talent but with the best will in the world isn’t a senior Spoting Director, and Vinai, who may be a good sports executive and may value building consensus among the group, but just seemed ill equipped to be as decisive as Levy would have been in this situation. I’m sure he is great on the commercial side but not sure what he offers on the football side. And he’s not supposed to be the expert, but he is supposed to be decisive when the facts are laid out in front of him.
So ultimately, the Lewis family have a lot to answer for. They’ve set off this chain of events. I looked up Gibb River who supposedly did the consulting for them last year, and I have no idea why they seemed to have been listened to about matters so crucial to the club. Their expertise didn’t seem remotely relevant.
Anyway, I do also feel that Levy needs to share in this too, for the decision to sack Ange and appoint Frank. I am not saying this because I think Ange was the long term solution, and in fairness to Levy he wasn’t to know he would also then get the boot. But in terms of the amount of transition, and the amount of knowledge lost about what works in this club, it’s been a complete disaster. Knowing what we know now, maybe we wouldn’t have acted like Chelsea and sacked a trophy winning manager, as if it’s something that we win every couple of years. Because what has happened is the players have had to learn a completely new way of working, wildly different from the previous guy. The coaches are stepping up to this level for the first time and were found wanting. And in the boardroom, we lose so much influence and knowledge that is replaced by much less influence and far less knowledge.
I suppose the Lewis family weren’t to know it would end up this bad. Maybe they thought it would all be alright. But their decisions have set off this chain of events. Losing Levy. Losing Paratici. Trusting inexperienced and ill suited people to make critical decisions when it was all falling apart around us.
And it’s the players I feel sorry for. Because after what they had to go through last year, to now be in this mess. I think they look at the boardroom antics with bemusement and a heavy dose of eye rolling. My fear is that we’ve become a place where good
players get ‘good enough’ contracts, but also know they would be very hard for Tottenham to replace. So someone like Romero is happy to take the money and also call out the board. And many of the players likely agree with them. Because they are fed up with terrible decisions and PR speak and owners that won’t actually invest to get this club pushing forward. It probably feels all a bit pointless for the players themselves.
I really really hope we can dig ourselves out of this and stay up. It is absolutely mad we are even discussing it because it did not need to be this way.
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
I think getting Porro and Romero back will be enough to drag us out of trouble by the skin of our teeth. Both are players who can pass. But I have no doubt at all this is going to get hairier before it calms, and honestly, for those of us who remember 1993/94, it will be pretty similar IMO in terms of how late it is before we manage to wriggle free…
Mikey10
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I’d have more sympathy with this view if he hadn’t overseen the transfer strategy and ‘squad building’, and the ping-ponging managerial appointments, that have seen us arrive at this place. He bears the vast majority of the responsibility imo.
Hope your journey back was smooth and you can rest up a bit today.
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
I’m not holding Levy up as some sort of martyr. His decisions have certainly played a massive role in where we are today. No question about it. I just don’t believe he would have allowed it to get this bad. At times, on the football side, Levy was correctly criticised for making reactive decisions that didn’t align with a proper strategy. That’s exactly what was needed in December and January but the club sat on their hands pontificating about looking at the bigger picture. Levy also had major skin in the game in terms of his investment. Vinai and Lange don’t.
Yeah got back at 1am and in work this morning. An 18 hour day. To be honest, I went with my son who is 13 and turning into a typical teenager. It was great to spend some time with him where his nose wasn’t buried in a phone for hours. The day wasn’t a total bust despite the football.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
As a CM duo? Because that's where we need passers
It’s quite staggering the lack of technical ability amongst our squad. We were desperate for a passer in Jan and signed CG . Mental recruitment.