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Eberechi Eze

Lilbaz said:
I don't understand it either. I doubt it's true.

Fans want him. Ok. But they want us to buy based on data. Yet the data shows maddison was better last season in the prem. In an inferior team.

Data is only a part of it. Maddison has been diappointing. Cause we see how good he can be when he's on form. £65m for a replacement when we also have kulu and donley? Nah.

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I sort of do understand it if you look past the data. There are 2 key elements for me.

The first is making sure we're not projecting opinions on prospective players based on Ange's tactical system. He's left the building. Whatever stats you show above are based on how their teams were setup. I think you and I have had this conversation before but we had major "keep ball" issues with some of our players like Son and Johnson. Kulu's ability to retain the ball wasn't great at times either. Madds ended up getting deeper and deeper as one of the few that were "passers". That's my second point. Eze is the player that also drops deep and can retain the ball and find a team mate. He's a good passer and I can imagine working in tandem with Madds and Kulu could be amazing for us especially if the width starts coming back from the full-backs post Ange.

In some ways it's the same reason for building a case for Joao Gomes. He could also knit things together and keep the pass and move going especially if you want to get back to front quicker than we have been. I think that's going to be Frank's way.

There are actually very few players that operate at this level when it comes to first touch, peripheral vision, decision making and passing. It's why I have way more doubts about Kudus than Eze. Just wish their ages were the other way round.
 
Muttley said:
I sort of do understand it if you look past the data. There are 2 key elements for me.

The first is making sure we're not projecting opinions on prospective players based on Ange's tactical system. He's left the building. Whatever stats you show above are based on how their teams were setup. I think you and I have had this conversation before but we had major "keep ball" issues with some of our players like Son and Johnson. Kulu's ability to retain the ball wasn't great at times either. Madds ended up getting deeper and deeper as one of the few that were "passers". That's my second point. Eze is the player that also drops deep and can retain the ball and find a team mate. He's a good passer and I can imagine working in tandem with Madds and Kulu could be amazing for us especially if the width starts coming back from the full-backs post Ange.

In some ways it's the same reason for building a case for Joao Gomes. He could also knit things together and keep the pass and move going especially if you want to get back to front quicker than we have been. I think that's going to be Frank's way.

There are actually very few players that operate at this level when it comes to first touch, peripheral vision, decision making and passing. It's why I have way more doubts about Kudus than Eze. Just wish their ages were the other way round.
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I have no idea what franks vision is for how we play. Or who he wants.
Just think we are getting caught up in media talk and clickbait.
 
Muttley said:
I sort of do understand it if you look past the data. There are 2 key elements for me.

The first is making sure we're not projecting opinions on prospective players based on Ange's tactical system. He's left the building. Whatever stats you show above are based on how their teams were setup. I think you and I have had this conversation before but we had major "keep ball" issues with some of our players like Son and Johnson. Kulu's ability to retain the ball wasn't great at times either. Madds ended up getting deeper and deeper as one of the few that were "passers". That's my second point. Eze is the player that also drops deep and can retain the ball and find a team mate. He's a good passer and I can imagine working in tandem with Madds and Kulu could be amazing for us especially if the width starts coming back from the full-backs post Ange.

In some ways it's the same reason for building a case for Joao Gomes. He could also knit things together and keep the pass and move going especially if you want to get back to front quicker than we have been. I think that's going to be Frank's way.

There are actually very few players that operate at this level when it comes to first touch, peripheral vision, decision making and passing. It's why I have way more doubts about Kudus than Eze. Just wish their ages were the other way round.
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Full agreement. And not just for getting from front to back quickly, but those players are important when trying to break down a settled deep/mid block too. And it's a weakness in our squad.

I guess if the lot down the road want him he's likely to prefer that anyway so won't happen. But age is a factor too. I doubt sell on is a big concern, but more the years we're likely to get out of a player. We've also been burned somewhat (Maddison who seems to need his minutes managed) and quite a bit (Richarlison's injury problems) buying players in that kind of age range with a lot of PL minutes in their legs already.

We could definitely do with another proper dribbler as well though.
 
Kandi1977 said:
Why? Their output is pretty similar. Not much between them. Swapping them would probably not make much difference. I know you don't like Maddison, but please be realistic. They're different players, but none of them is significantly better than the other.
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Interestingly though, while people dub Eze a number 10, I believe he actually plays on the left for England.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Think it was @Bishop who said we won’t push the boat out for players who aren’t necessarily a sure thing (because no one is) but are the real deal but we will overpay for mediocre players. It’s backwards.
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So true....tbf we are happy to push the boat out on transfer fees, but not really on the wages that the 'clearly top' players would demand.

When you look at it this way, we're not really backwards, just risk-averse/unambitious (in terms of making more sure we win 'now' and not 'in the future' re resale profits) when it comes to the crunch
 
glorygloryeze said:
So true....tbf we are happy to push the boat out on transfer fees, but not really on the wages that the 'clearly top' players would demand.

When you look at it this way, we're not really backwards, just risk-averse/unambitious (in terms of making more sure we win 'now' and not 'in the future' re resale profits) when it comes to the crunch
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Indeed it's all well and good saying we spend 60m on players, but they aren't real difference makers and for those you have to pay the wages. You can sign real quality players for the fees we spend but you have to pay the wages for such quality and we don't.

For example, Kvaratskhelia cost PSG £60m but he has a hefty wage to go with it. Of course in this instance doubtful we could have attracted him, but just demonstrates the ilk of player you can get for the money we spend but because of our wage structure we get the likes of Richarlison and Solanke for the same level of fees....
 
harr1984 said:
Indeed it's all well and good saying we spend 60m on players, but they aren't real difference makers and for those you have to pay the wages. You can sign real quality players for the fees we spend but you have to pay the wages for such quality and we don't.

For example, Kvaratskhelia cost PSG £60m but he has a hefty wage to go with it. Of course in this instance doubtful we could have attracted him, but just demonstrates the ilk of player you can get for the money we spend but because of our wage structure we get the likes of Richarlison and Solanke for the same level of fees....
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I would say probably closer to impossible that we could have attracted him when PSG were in for him. See also Doue.

For me Kvara is (and was when he moved to PSG) a elite level player, at a great age too. When those players became available and for a "reasonable" fee the biggest clubs in Europe will hardly ever all be sitting on their hands. They will be out of our reach no matter what.

Rather than Kvara being an example of who we could get if we paid up it's an example of the kind of players PSG, Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City etc will almost always sweep up when available.

But hey, who are the proven elite level players we could sign this summer for around 60m if only we increased our wage offers? I don't know of any.

It's even true for some the very highest rated young and less proven players. Doue to PSG, Endrick and Guler to Real Madrid.

For me the most likely route to getting ellie level players remains getting in early, identifying those top talents the biggest clubs aren't moving for (or like for Bergvall actually competing with Barca). Then developing them.

Or finding those players a bit under the radar that are better than their reputations so the biggest clubs won't go for them. Typically for those wages won't be the biggest hurdle.
 
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