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Daniel Levy - Former Chairman

robp135 said:
If they could remove him from his post at any time then he’s not really in charge though is he.
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But he was. You can argue “ifs” all you want but that doesn’t change the past.

We simply don’t know what the plan was after VV was hired, and whether that changed with regards to DL’s role once VV had had a chance to look around the place. All we do know is what actually happened and that is last summer Levy was still heavily involved whereas he isn’t this summer.

Hence we can’t truly judge the Lewis’s until they have had the chance to fully implement their plans unopposed.
 
Ace Face said:
But he was. You can argue “ifs” all you want but that doesn’t change the past.

We simply don’t know what the plan was after VV was hired, and whether that changed with regards to DL’s role once VV had had a chance to look around the place. All we do know is what actually happened and that is last summer Levy was still heavily involved whereas he isn’t this summer.

Hence we can’t truly judge the Lewis’s until they have had the chance to fully implement their plans unopposed.
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We don't actually know that, all we know is he hadn't yet been removed from his position at the club.
 
Ace Face said:
But he was. You can argue “ifs” all you want but that doesn’t change the past.

We simply don’t know what the plan was after VV was hired, and whether that changed with regards to DL’s role once VV had had a chance to look around the place. All we do know is what actually happened and that is last summer Levy was still heavily involved whereas he isn’t this summer.

Hence we can’t truly judge the Lewis’s until they have had the chance to fully implement their plans unopposed.
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Well we do. As they’ve done it.
 
Ace Face said:
Yes, indeed. I don’t want these fly-by-night people anywhere near our club.

Re: the Lewis kids aka “nepo babies”, they need to be given time to see their impact on us.

They only really took control after the season had already started, and their guy, VV, was allowed to be in charge of the whole operation. By that time, our manager, DoF and squad were already in place. He inherited what sounds like an uncoordinated mess, including a second DoF who was one foot in, one foot out.

I would assume that he allowed his DoF to make the footballing decisions, as he should, which included the timing of the TF sacking. It would make a lot of sense if JL waited as long as he did since TF was essentially his “guy” and firing him would make him look bad more than anyone else. Further, you could probably blame JL for the Tudor hire too, with VV giving his DoF a chance to rectify his initial mistake (TF).

Anyways, all of that is conjecture but the point I’m trying to make is that the Lewis kids haven’t had much of a chance to really show their impact on the club yet. The boat had already left the port when they took over. This summer will be the first true test of their management. If the choice is to get rid of them for a dodgy VC fund just because they grew up rich, then some serious soul-searching needs to be done imo.
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That's reasonable. As of now nothing changes so there is hope that the Lewises will step up. On the same count you have to give 8 Capital a chance to prove themselves. In the most optimistic situation, Levy becomes highest paying chairman in the UK Nba, Lewis trust and 8 Capital conspire to fund the football side of things massively, and we become capable of staying in the CL year in year out.

Other wise, if thing go kaput, I'm sure we the fans able to conjure up another false dawn to to keep us going !
 
metalgear said:
That's reasonable. As of now nothing changes so there is hope that the Lewises will step up. On the same count you have to give 8 Capital a chance to prove themselves. In the most optimistic situation, Levy becomes highest paying chairman in the UK Nba, Lewis trust and 8 Capital conspire to fund the football side of things massively, and we become capable of staying in the CL year in year out.

Other wise, if thing go kaput, I'm sure we the fans able to conjure up another false dawn to to keep us going !
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Judging by 8 Capital’s record, I don’t want to give them a chance. They appear to be chancers at best, and I would be surprised if Levy sold his shares to a party he didn’t believe has the club’s long-term interests at heart.
 
thfcsteff said:
Yes.
I know.
Try to read what I write not what you imagine I've said, especially in this case when you're deabting no-one because I've held the same viewpoint forever.
FWIW I have said the above many times over the years when this conversation occurs.
My point about Ange is valid. It was literally a stated objective. How cowardly we were when faced with a choice. As are most of those who say they want a DoF system. It requires patience. And full commitment.
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The Ange point wasn't valid in the greater conversation of having an aligned club structure because it wasn't aligned with Ange anymore than it was aligned with Conte or Jose or the dreaded Frank.

Yes I understand you wanted the club to align with Ange's ethos but it was never going to happen under Levy because we spoke the talk constantly but never actually walked the walk.
 
Bishop said:
The Ange point wasn't valid in the greater conversation of having an aligned club structure because it wasn't aligned with Ange anymore than it was aligned with Conte or Jose or the dreaded Frank.

Yes I understand you wanted the club to align with Ange's ethos but it was never going to happen under Levy because we spoke the talk constantly but never actually walked the walk.
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lol - Ange definitely loves to talk. All he did throughout his tenure was talk, and has barely stopped talking since he left.

Not sure he really gets the concept of dignified silence.
 
Ace Face said:
But he was. You can argue “ifs” all you want but that doesn’t change the past.

We simply don’t know what the plan was after VV was hired, and whether that changed with regards to DL’s role once VV had had a chance to look around the place. All we do know is what actually happened and that is last summer Levy was still heavily involved whereas he isn’t this summer.

Hence we can’t truly judge the Lewis’s until they have had the chance to fully implement their plans unopposed.
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But they have always been the owners, the change of Joe to the trust was one to avoid legal issues

The fact they could remove DL at any time proves who are incharge and always have been.

Lets not be silly here, the optics and facts are there for all to see, they were all very happy when DL took their investment from 55m to 4bn, no one in the family stopped that charge forward, I mean who would, I wouldn't stop someone turning my inheritance into a massive fortune, but lets not be silly here and pretend that after 26 years the Lewis family has just woken up and found "FOOTBALL"
 
Ace Face said:
But DL was still running the business so VV didn’t have full say at all. As we all know, DL was required to sign off on just about everything, including the hiring of TF and the players in and out. If DL had gone at the end of the 24/25 season, would VV had been able to get the Eze deal over the line for example? Plus I don’t believe TF and JL had the cajones or big club experience to push for the wholesale changes we needed. They were allowed to tinker when we needed a refresh and it was ultimately DL who signed off on that, not VV or the Lewis’s.

My instincts tell me that after the hiring of VV, DL was lining himself up to move into a Chairman position and to leave the day-to-day running of the club to VV. However, once VV had been able to get a good look at how the club was operating and make some suggestions on changes, DL pushed back forcing the Lewis’s to choose between their guy, VV, and the incumbent who in their eyes had taken the club as far as he was able to. They made the move to ouster DL and the rest is history.

So this is their first real chance to make the changes to the playing side of the club without any interference. Early signs are that they are making some smart moves but only time will tell.
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Far too much conjecture in there to be fair...I'm just adding some factual timeline events.

The point that could be argued, is if the Lewis's knew Levy was out the door imminently, then it's bad management (from them) right out the gate to allow the dead man walking to have final sign off on such critical decisions.

But besides, everyone appeared happy (within the camp) of the Frank appointment. Furthermore, equally happy with Lange continuing and then Paratici joing him in a joint roll.
 
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