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Bishop said:
Its never really been about how much you spend but rather how you spend it, who you spend it on and when you spend in terms of timing. You can spend as we have a relatively large amount but if it has been spent on younger unproven players, punts if you will then that spend is quite speculative. Obviously, as with any speculative action the result you might get can vary significantly.

In essence £200m odd on say Isak and Ederson probably gets you better results in the short and medium turn than £200m on Odobert, Gray, Solanke, Bergvall, Yang and Danso. I don't think we can really claim to have closed the gap when the calibre of player we are still bringing is significantly lower or less experienced and that spend is spread across a number of players.

Now i'm not against the speculative transfer work, i've advocated for it for decades at this point but i'm also not naive to the realities of working this way. There has to be a willingness to also let go and move players on who have some value whilst you are able to extract the maximum for them. Ie. the likes of Johnson, Richy, Maddison etc. We seem to have gotten stuck on the first part of buying some promising players but forgotten the second half where you move them on when they are either working as hoped or when they have achived maximum value.
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How do you know you are getting a isac and not a nichlas pepe? Or a ederson and not an antony?
 
billyiddo said:
Why would a few supporters wondering where Munn is impact how the club is being run?
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One would expect that Paratici would be in place once Munn isn't in position.
Of all the people we've had in the past that could do deals, he would be the one.

The kind of guy who would have a backup plan for if or when the deal for MGW would collapse rather than seemingly doing nothing to get someone in that creative midfield position during those two weeks when speculation about whether Forest would or wouldn't report us for 'tapping up' went by.

Maybe Paratici still not being appointed has slowed us down considerably in the transfer market compared to previous seasons when we've had CL to offer (apart from that window of course...)
 
Lilbaz said:
How do you know you are getting a isac and not a nichlas pepe? Or a ederson and not an antony?
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How do you know you're getting a Bergvall and not an Obertan? Bit of a silly question really, you never know. You make your judgements, you evaluate the player and you make your decisions. Some will turn out great, some so so and some terrible. So you reset and go again.
 
Bishop said:
How do you know you're getting a Bergvall and not an Obertan? Bit of a silly question really, you never know. You make your judgements, you evaluate the player and you make your decisions. Some will turn out great, some so so and some terrible. So you reset and go again.
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If you do get an obertan though if it's a low fee and wages you can more easily move them on. Then bring in another player. Rather than be stuck with them for years eating up huge wages.
I'd rather buy an isak at 22 for £40m than at 25 for £120m.
 
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braineclipse said:
I think going big on two players or spreading that out on 5-6 players depends on the situation you're in.

We've more or less replaced our entire squad since Paratici first came in. Of the players you mentioned only Yang hasn't been at the very least an important squad player. So you'd have to fill those places if you went 200m on two players.

That's also 6 players over several years picked out. Take any one window in recent years and spend all the money on one or two players, what do you do about the other positions?

To some extent football is a weakest link game imo. Sure, the best players can make a big difference, but so can one mediocre player.

I think we're trying to work towards a squad that can compete. With cover/competition. I think that's a good choice.
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I agree that the aim should ultimately be to build a squad and ours was pretty bad due to years of neglect, poor selections and a mush mash of philosophies so yes a total rebuid was necessary. At the same time though sometimes having a stand out player or two can be the difference maker. We had that ourselves in the last 5 years where as our squad and first quality seriously diminished we were held aloft by the qualities of Kane and Son. So sometimes having a stand out is key. I struggle to see Saudi Sportswashing Machine finishing in the CL 2 times out of 3 without Isak, he's their difference maker as an example.

I guess philosophically do you rebuild from a position of extreme quality or do you spread that across the group. If you spread it too thinly you just end up with mediocrity and that's the fine balance that the recruitment team need to find. Improve the squad diligently and I expensively whilst keeping the technical and tactical levels high.
 
glorygloryeze said:
One would expect that Paratici would be in place once Munn isn't in position.
Of all the people we've had in the past that could do deals, he would be the one.

The kind of guy who would have a backup plan for if or when the deal for MGW would collapse rather than seemingly doing nothing to get someone in that creative midfield position during those two weeks when speculation about whether Forest would or wouldn't report us for 'tapping up' went by.

Maybe Paratici still not being appointed has slowed us down considerably in the transfer market compared to previous seasons when we've had CL to offer (apart from that window of course...)
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The idea that Fab was bullet proof is a lie...........I mean he signed Gil and that Keeper who was tragic

But he had a godfather vibe and people called him Don................tremendous

I like Fab BTW, I really do, but I won't lie to myself that he was a criminal in football terms just because he is an easy profile to glamourise
 
Lilbaz said:
If you do get an obertan though if it's a low fee and wages you can more easily move them on. Then bring in another player. Rather than be stuck with them for years eating up huge wages.
I'd rather buy an isak at 22 for £40m than at 25 for £120m.
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You're like me then I'd buy him whilst he's younger and more attainable too, but that wasn't really the jist of the original convo. The argument was being made that we had caught up in spending terms with our peers whereas I'd argue that's not really true as we spread that spend across both a higher number of players and a younger less experienced and proven group.

As I said I'm actually fine with that, it's what I've always said we should be doing. It's just not what the big clubs are doing.
 
Grays_1890 said:
The idea that Fab was bullet proof is a lie...........I mean he signed Gil and that Keeper who was tragic

But he had a godfather vibe and people called him Don................tremendous

I like Fab BTW, I really do, but I won't lie to myself that he was a criminal in football terms just because he is an easy profile to glamourise
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Fab is certainly NOT bullet proof, but he has been our best DOF/transfer guru since GHod knows how long.
He is being brought back for a reason. The question is...where is he and is his absence (after all the changes at the top including his mooted return) affecting our transfer window activity?
 
Chrissivad said:
Yeah, and I have sent enough people on x claiming if we don't count Tel and Danso as they were on loan last season.... Anyone not going to be in the first 11 we have only bought 1player.....

Lies to build agendas....
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Well they aren't new players to the squad as they were here last season so I understand the argument in terms of Improving the squad. They aren't additions we didn't already have.
 
Bishop said:
You're like me then I'd buy him whilst he's younger and more attainable too, but that wasn't really the jist of the original convo. The argument was being made that we had caught up in spending terms with our peers whereas I'd argue that's not really true as we spread that spend across both a higher number of players and a younger less experienced and proven group.

As I said I'm actually fine with that, it's what I've always said we should be doing. It's just not what the big clubs are doing.
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Fair enough but we have spent big on players to an extent. Last summer we bought the most expensive player in the window for a premier league club.
Out of the big 6 we have been the runt of the litter. We would be the last choice by a world class player.
Even so we should havebeen better at spending our money.
I don't think paratici did particularly well overall.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
They weren’t spurs players
They were owned by other clubs
Now we own them they have formally improved the squad
Last season they were a short term experiment
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They were in our match day squads last season, they played and started games for us last season. You can try as many mental gymnastics as you want. The reality is they aren't new players to Spurs, they aren't adding anything we did not already have last season.
 
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