Brennan Johnson

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm not sure that is down to replacing Johnson with Kudus though. I think that it is a lot to do with Palhinha coming in and also being less attacking in general.

I think he is our second too scorer isnt he…

 

[Legohamster]

Just catching up on the internationals and noticed he was on the Bench for Wales in a must win game

Surely he will want to move on to kick start his career.

He's going to be back up here, which is going to have a knock on for Wales

 

[fernadez]

I’d argue he is higher on the finishing
He has other things that are poor
The goal he scored in the CL was a sublime finish that most players wouldn’t make

Take him for what he is and I think he is fine
There are many wingers who create some chances but don’t get many goals and people crow about them

But that's my point in this

He's not a striker. Strikers metrics are their finishing. If he wants to be judged on his goals alone he's playing in the wrong position. For club (and country now) it's the other things his day job entails that are causing him to be on the bench.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

But that's my point in this

He's not a striker. Strikers metrics are their finishing. If he wants to be judged on his goals alone he's playing in the wrong position. For club (and country now) it's the other things his day job entails that are causing him to be on the bench.

I agree
Wide forwards or wingers get judged ok combined numbers
A wide player with 20 Goals and assist would be deemed to be top drawer
Issue is…. If your feeding a brick CF your numbers will suffer (like at West Ham when they have no striker)
Or if your salah and you actually play wide but as a focal point (and your world class) you can get crazy numbers
What I do know is every player I’ve ever met has said that scoring goals is the hardest thing to do

 

[Bullet]

I noticed Glennan Bonson didn't play for Wales yesterday, against Liechtenstein

2 jokers called Harris and Broadhead played instead, from Wrexham and Oxford.

Bonson came on as a last sub, on 83



Why is that, is he injured or not rated even by Wales?

Liechtenstein are of course a really really poor team, but Wales scraped past them 1-0?

 

[Bishop]

I noticed Glennan Bonson didn't play for Wales yesterday, against Liechtenstein

2 jokers called Harris and Broadhead played instead, from Wrexham and Oxford.

Bonson came on as a last sub, on 83



Why is that, is he injured or not rated even by Wales?

Liechtenstein are of course a really really poor team, but Wales scraped past them 1-0?

Isn't it obvious?

 

[braineclipse]

But that's my point in this

He's not a striker. Strikers metrics are their finishing. If he wants to be judged on his goals alone he's playing in the wrong position. For club (and country now) it's the other things his day job entails that are causing him to be on the bench.

Even strikers aren't judged only on their finishing and goals.

If you're scoring half a goal a game or more with some consistency that will make a decent argument for starting games regularly. Goals are hard to come by. That's regardless of position, but will typically be one of the attacking positions obviously.

But that's just one (or two) data points amongst a lot of data points for evaluating an attacking player. Striker or winger or 10 for that matter.

A big aspect of those other things is also the balance of the team. The situations he thrives in we're not very good at setting up. And his shortcomings are shortcomings he shares with several other players in the squad.

If we had a team that was elsewhere really good at ball progression, ball retention in the final third and chance creation I could definitely see him scoring quite a lot, and assisting quite a lot. But we don't, so he doesn't, so he has to offer more.

 

[fernadez]

There's only two players I can think of who are in anyway similar to what Johnson does.

Muller who is the Raumdeuter personified and Dele Alli. Muller for all his self described non ability was actually a very good footballer, who on top of that had elite perception of space and finishing at the highest level. Alli for one reason or another fizzled out, but there were a few of us on here that said for him to maintain a high level career he would need to add more to his game.

Johnson is nowhere near either of them, so if they couldn't get by with scoring and nothing else I don't see how he has a chance.

 

[Bishop]

Even strikers aren't judged only on their finishing and goals.

If you're scoring half a goal a game or more with some consistency that will make a decent argument for starting games regularly. Goals are hard to come by. That's regardless of position, but will typically be one of the attacking positions obviously.

But that's just one (or two) data points amongst a lot of data points for evaluating an attacking player. Striker or winger or 10 for that matter.

A big aspect of those other things is also the balance of the team. The situations he thrives in we're not very good at setting up. And his shortcomings are shortcomings he shares with several other players in the squad.

If we had a team that was elsewhere really good at ball progression, ball retention in the final third and chance creation I could definitely see him scoring quite a lot, and assisting quite a lot. But we don't, so he doesn't, so he has to offer more.

If we had one of the teams you describe his lack of all around game would stand out even more and the singular dimension to his game would be even more apparent. No progressive high possession technically proficient team will carry a player like Johnson especially not in the wide areas where creation and incision is supposed to come from.

As you increase the technical level of the team, his teanates expectations of what you are able to add to that combinational play increases, the higher the technical level the more players you want included in that movement of the ball so the expectation demand increases along with it. We already have a situation whereby our players tend to shy away from passing him the ball unless he's in acres of space.