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Brennan Johnson

No I haven't enjoyed myself watching more losses in a single season than we have lost in 3 season stretches

The QF & SF games were professional at best, pragmatic, while the result was enjoyable, I'd hardly say that's the bar.
I was talking about the CL final under Poch.
So you won't be watching the EL final as it's so unenjoyable?
 
Here are the teams who've knocked us out in the Europa League, Conference League and UEFA Cup since 2006:

2021/22: 3rd in a group containing Stade Rennes, NŠ Mura and Vitesse (Nuno/Conte)
2020/21: Dinamo Zagreb (Jose Mourinho)
2016/17: KAA Gent (Mauricio Pochettino)
2015/16: Borussia Dortmund (Mauricio Pochettino)
2014/15: ACF Fiorentina (Mauricio Pochettino)
2013/14: SL Benfica (Tim Sherwood)
2012/13: FC Basel (Andre Villas-Boas)
2011/12: 3rd in a group containing PAOK Saloniki, Rubin Kazan and Shamrock Rovers (Harry Redknapp)
2008/09: Shakhtar Donetsk (Harry Redknapp)
2007/08: PSV Eindhoven (Juande Ramos)
2006/07: Sevilla (Martin Jol)

Some real heavy hitters there! The point being...we've finally taken this competition seriously -- to some extent, to the detriment of our league form -- and it's still not good enough. Still many people want to put an asterisk on it, play it down like it means nothing.

The people who think it means nothing are likely restricted to those who spam every thread with "fudge off Ange" or call him a fat clam in every other post. In other words...those who've for some bizarre reason decided they hate Ange on a personal level, and watch football through that lens.
I'm talking about this year's quality.

Since the champs league teams don't drop down the Europa league is akin to a pre season tournament and about as important as the charity shield.

Anyone who thinks Ange is doing a good job does not watch football.
 
The other side of that argument is that you could have a winger that can beat opponents, pass, cross and defend.

How many goals does that prevent and lead to. Just because it's not as quantifiable as goals and assists doesn't mean it's any less of value.

People used to complain that Dembele didn't score or assist but compare what we was with him to without.

I don't think you can afford to have a play who contributes so little outside goals is n any position apart from striker. The only other players who played any similar are Alli and Muller. Ones an all time and the others career faded.
Johnson defends against his direct opponent as much as most wingers in the league do.
 
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