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DHSF said:
Spursalot - what is it that you do? Part qualified in what? and what facet of Accounting is your trade/specialist area?
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I've done various computerised and manual bookkeeping courses.


What i'm going to do is an accelerated AAT course (levels 2/3), which i can miss out a number of modules on.


I assume you know accounting courses?


Edit: Outside accounting i have a physics degree.
 
Spursalot said:
I've done various computerised and manual bookkeeping courses.


What i'm going to do is an accelerated AAT course (levels 2/3), which i can miss out a number of modules on.


I assume you know accounting courses?


Edit: Outside accounting i have a physics degree.
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Yeah I would have skipped the AAT course and gone straight to ACCA course.

We just recruited a graduate who did a Biology course at Imperial and had no damn experience of accounting or risk management or internal audit but he was doing his ACCAs.

Have you tried public Sector? Theyre always willing to take people on there especially NHS.
 
DHSF said:
Yeah I would have skipped the AAT course and gone straight to ACCA course.

We just recruited a graduate who did a Biology course at Imperial and had no damn experience of accounting or risk management or internal audit but he was doing his ACCAs.

Have you tried public Sector? Theyre always willing to take people on there especially NHS.
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The AAT is part time, even accelerated it's only three days a week, so i'm kinda hoping to find someone willing to take me on and get work experience/part time work whilst doing it.

I had a look at ACCA, but was informed that it was level five and i needed to do something at the level beforehand before i would be allowed to do it.

Edit: informed by the job centre 'advisor'

Have tried pretty much everywhere i could find that needed people, and some that didn't..
 
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It's an abused system. My opinion is if you haven't paid into the system you deserve fudge all out of it.
 
Spursalot said:
The AAT is part time, even accelerated it's only three days a week, so i'm kinda hoping to find someone willing to take me on and get work experience/part time work whilst doing it.

I had a look at ACCA, but was informed that it was level five and i needed to do something at the level beforehand before i would be allowed to do it.

Edit: informed by the job centre 'advisor'

Have tried pretty much everywhere i could find that needed people, and some that didn't..
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Anyone can do ACCA. ACCA is a higher level - if AAT was GCSE then ACCA is degree level. BUT you would cover in ACCA what you would cover at AAT level and although AAT gives you exemptions from he first level ACCA it is more exams etc.

But hey you have done it now ha.

When I graduates in 2002 I struggled to get a job for two years within any practice or firm, so I did my ACCAs but I had a side project of property development. Anyways after two years I was desperate to go into a practice. I got a list of the top 100 firms and sent them all an email covering letter and my cv. I got a job in a bricky practice and they took the biscuit offering me 10k a year I accepted it though and did some bricky sales and purchase ledgers and VAT returns. It worked though as nine months later moved to EY and the rest is history.

I think you may need to do the same. Literally offer to work for free and learn that way or you may well get a paid job (who knows)
 
DHSF said:
Anyone can do ACCA. ACCA is a higher level - if AAT was GCSE then ACCA is degree level. BUT you would cover in ACCA what you would cover at AAT level and although AAT gives you exemptions from he first level ACCA it is more exams etc.

But hey you have done it now ha.

When I graduates in 2002 I struggled to get a job for two years within any practice or firm, so I did my ACCAs but I had a side project of property development. Anyways after two years I was desperate to go into a practice. I got a list of the top 100 firms and sent them all an email covering letter and my cv. I got a job in a bricky practice and they took the biscuit offering me 10k a year I accepted it though and did some bricky sales and purchase ledgers and VAT returns. It worked though as nine months later moved to EY and the rest is history.

I think you may need to do the same. Literally offer to work for free and learn that way or you may well get a paid job (who knows)
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That's fair enough. I've been accepted for the AAT course, but haven't yet paid for it, so there is always the possibility of pulling out and trying to get into the ACCA course..


Thanks for the advice, nice to know someone has been through the same kind of thing and made it out the other side.
 
Richie said:
We of course need to help our most vulnerable citizens. I don't class healthy men and women of working age as vulnerable though.
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That's fair enough, I didn't see any issues with your earlier idea about giving people food/other vouchers instead of money. That makes sense to me.

Being on jobseekers currently, it is not something that i would object to. People have to eat right? That would only be like £25 a week? Could probably easily be done on less as well imo.

So you'd have already cut the amount spent on people on JSA by 50%.



I'd be hypocritical if i said otherwise. It always used to wind me up in college when two or three of my mates got that £30 thing for books and school supplies, and then both of them just ended up spending it all on cds...
 
Spursalot said:
So disabled people who can't work deserve 'fudge all'?

Nice to know.
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The benefits they receive are alien to me. Of course they deserve to be looked after goes without saying.

I mean more JSA being paid to people who haven't worked/worked very little when capable of working.

Also, to discourage scroungers make it exhaustible. 3 months claiming it and still no job? Lose a tenner. 4 months a score. 5 months 30 etc...
 
Roy1983 said:
The benefits they receive are alien to me. Of course they deserve to be looked after goes without saying.

I mean more JSA being paid to people who haven't worked/worked very little when capable of working.

Also, to discourage scroungers make it exhaustible. 3 months claiming it and still no job? Lose a tenner. 4 months a score. 5 months 30 etc...
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Ah fair enough. I was not sure who you were directing it at, so assumed everyone.


That works up until a point, they have to have the money to feed themselves... the vouchers idea would probably have more of an affect.. People would want to get back into work to earn money to get the new phone or the new game/dvd/cd they want to buy.
 
Spursalot said:
Ah fair enough. I was not sure who you were directing it at, so assumed everyone.


That works up until a point, they have to have the money to feed themselves... the vouchers idea would probably have more of an affect.. People would want to get back into work to earn money to get the new phone or the new game/dvd/cd they want to buy.
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The added incentive is that its looked down on to use food stamps, a fact that will ensure many of those who don't need to use them will decide not to
 
I've worked in bookies for 11 years. Do you know how many scroungers sit all day on their fudging arses spending taxpayers hard earned money? It would make you sick. I've seen it all and more than once.
 
Spursalot said:
In theory i agree with you, but in practise it may not quite work so well. There are a number of people coming out of uni who can't get jobs, me included. You think them not working is not worthy of job-seekers?

Is it their fault that the country has been run by macarons over the years and there are less job opportunities nowadays?


Myself? I've gotten bored of hitting the catch 22. You can't get employed in most jobs without experience. So i've decided to fudge it, if i don't get any interest within the next two weeks i'm signing off and going back to college to do an accelerated accounting course.
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I am working now luckily but I experienced the same problems as you when I was looking for work. There really aren't enough jobs at moment good or bad and its a total myth to say anyone can at least get a job if they are prepared to do a brick one. The job market is a very tough at the moment - I wish you all the best in your hunt!
 
The biggest crime in this country regarding benefits is making it lucrative to be a single mother. Im not saying we should follow
the chinese one kid policy paid for by the state, but not far of that though.!!!

Do not bring children into this world if you cannot afford too and the state should put limits on giving handouts after two kids.
 
My two cents worth, benefits should never be more profitable than working. If you can earn more on benefits than you can earn in a minimum wage job then the system is fudged up. I don't know if this is true, I haven't researched the stats but you often here people saying it's not worth them working because they get more money by not working. That is patently wrong.

I also have very strong feelings on child benefits too, but then I don't have kids and have no desire to have kids, so accept I'm probably in the minority. I think child benfit should be scrapped. Why should those of us who decide not to have children support those who do? If you can't afford to have kids then you shouldn't have them and then expect the state to support you. Child benefits were brought in following the war when people had no money, and the government introduced the system to encourage people to produce the next generation. That is no longer the case, we are already over-populated so don't need to incentivise people to have children. If they do want children then fine, but they shouldn't expect the rest of society to support them.

If I did decide to have kids, I could comfortably afford it, including all nursery costs etc so I shouldn't be entitled to child benefits. But I would certainly take them, I'd be a fool not to. The system allows people to drain money from the state even when they are not dependant on that money and that has to be fundamentally wrong.
 
one problem is that in some cases its not in your interest to work, if there is a massive difference between the pay for a job you lose and any other work you take on then your may be better off being unemployed as any loan/mortgage protection you have will kick in

also peoples circumstances can massively change, its all well and good saying you shouldn't have kids if you can't afford them but you never know whats around the corner

I think the "safety net not a lifestyle" quote is bang on
 
I'm with Leeds on this one

We don't live too far from Reading

My girlfriend lost her job recently (she is also part qualified)

She had 2 job offers. One from C&W for about £48K, and a lower offer from a start-up in London

Those that WANT to work, can find a job

Those that DON'T WANT to work, will sit around wasting their lives away watching TV, playing games, tossing etc

Your choice guys. Man up. Or shut up.
 
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