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Ange in or out?
- Thread starter Yiddo
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People will complain for sure. By that point many will point to this season and say look at what he has done and then the usual there are no decent options during mid-season...
I still can't see, over what happened so far, how he could achieve what you said in the first paragraph. The level of opposition was poor this year in the UEFA cup. We have made a massive, massive achievement but haven't played at a very high standard so to me, that means very little in terms of our chances of success next season. That being said, I agree it's a poor timing to make that bold decision, although IMO that's what should be done. So fully expect to see the Ten Haag situation next season. But then, stranger things have happened, so again I am happy to be proven wrong again.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
Jesus. That’s too far for me even!
This is the league table since we got found against Chelsea in his first season. What makes you think/believe we can achieve what you deem to be acceptable next season?
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Each season is different with different challenges, the 'league table since Chelsea in his first season' means as much as the 'We are top of the league for the calendar year' era under Poch ie zero. The facts are we were 5th in his first season, and probably 17th second season. And I have no idea what we can achieve next season, just like I had no idea we would win the Europa League at this stage last season. Do I think it beyond the realms of possibility we could finish somewhere around where we finished all that time ago, sorry 12 months ago? No.
When he came here people liked to highlight the fact he has no experience in a 'competitive' league, he's just a PE teacher etc. Well, like any player or human being they need time to adapt to new surroundings and challenges. So you want to highlight how he's contradicting his original principles, maybe he's learning on the job that his idealistic way of football isn't going to always be successful at the very top level and is adapting his game plans over time - he's learning on the job, and his CV at Spurs reads one 5th place finish, one poor league finish, a Europa League trophy and Champions League football. Things are never ever going to be plain sailing at Spurs, forgive me for thinking he actually deserves a crack for the start of next season at building on some of the foundations he has built at Spurs....
I'd be surprised if he was employed to learn on the job, Mason could've done that for us.
I'd also argue that he has done the opposite of learn on the job going by his PPG since he joined.
1st Season
First 19 games - 1.95 PPG
Last 19 games - 1.57 PPG
This season
First 19 games - 1.26 PPG
Last 18 games - 0.77 PPG
All I see is decline, quarter on quarter.
Forgive me for being sceptical about our chances of finishing 5/6th next season, however I would love to be proved wrong.
Great to win a trophy and fair play to Ange.
I’d understand if club do stick with him but in my view would be a huge error.
We are not very good it’s really that simple. We’ve not been very good for a long time. Since the middle part of last season.
It’s all well and good getting giddy at a trophy win and rightly so but to strip back the emotion of it all and it’s still out for me.
I’d understand if club do stick with him but in my view would be a huge error.
We are not very good it’s really that simple. We’ve not been very good for a long time. Since the middle part of last season.
It’s all well and good getting giddy at a trophy win and rightly so but to strip back the emotion of it all and it’s still out for me.
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tommysvr
Michael Carrick
I just think you’re taking too narrow a view of things. The 21 (22 after tomorrow) league defeats is appalling when you look at it in isolation. But it absolutely didn’t happen in isolation. You can be annoyed and question whether we really needed to through away as many league points as we have in the pursuit of the Europa League — that’s fair enough — but I think you need to consider far more.
It's not in isolation though. When he joined he said he wanted to create a winning mentality and a trophy wasn't something he was desperate for, it was more about long term success. That was his belief and he wanted players and fans to buy into it which is fair enough.
He has since decided that he either no longer believes in that or is unable to back it up, and now players and fans are supposed to buy into a new belief of his and hope it works?
Next season we won't have the luxury of Europe's average in the EL.
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Steffen Freund
I'd wait to see if we got someone with a shorter name.
Where do youvthink we'll finish in the league next season if ange stays and how far will we get in the cl?
The young players have got a lot of experience (both good and bad) and will be more prepared to contribute from the start next season. CL money will allow us to strengthen in a couple of key areas. Ange should be more willing to trust his squad after this season, especially the youngesters so we should see him being more willing to rotate from the start of the season and hopefully reduce the amount of injuries. All combined will hopefully lead to better performances. Of course nothing is guaranteed in football.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
I set my expectations in the other Ange thread:
Absolutely, the first 3 months are make or break. We really need to win 6 or 7 of the first 10 or he’ll be under pressure again.
For me, the first aim would be winning the League Cup. If we do that in February, then finishing top 10 would do. Fail to win that, and it’ll be all in on the FA Cup but we’d probably need to finish top 5 or 6 as a bit of a ‘backup’.
Good grief. Those PPG for this season look really bleak when spelt out like that. It's a pretty clear 2 year trend that is totally inexcusable no matter what sort of spin or context anyone wants to attach to it. Whilst I don't think that trend would continue next season (that would be close to impossible!) it does show that in 2 years Ange has learned absolutely nothing about how to set up a team to compete in the PL.
25 losses this season is apparently the most in our entire history! If he ends up staying on then Levy has bought into the emotion and joy of Wednesday and let his heart overule his head.
League cup won't do. It would be great don't get me wrong. But the money from cl is so huge we can't be losing £100m and letting villa/Saudi Sportswashing Machine/villa get an extra £100m. That's a £200m swing in revenue. With those clubs willing to spend every penny of it.
I don't wan't to go back to the 90's being a mid table club. Winning a league cup. I want us to be challenging on every front. I want us to dominate.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
…and? Why is that relevant? Why does something happening literally once mean we should make a decision to fire the bloke who just won a European trophy?
I think I'd have to agree with Tommy that a league cup and top 10 would be a half decent season. Cant see us getting top 4/5 next season no matter who comes in.