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30 dead in France terror attacks in Nice + Talk Turkey here!

K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Maybe we could look for alternatives to their oil, but I suppose the billionaires who own the oil business are content with the way things are, what's the death of a few plebs compared to their money and power.
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Sounds like there's some money to be made in tinfoil hats.
 
scaramanga said:
Sounds like there's some money to be made in tinfoil hats.
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Don't tell me, let your mates the billionaire's know. If wanting to live in a peaceful place without having to worry about people who don't want the same things as me attacking it qualifies me for a tin hat so be it. I'm one of those mugs who think people are more important than money.
 
scaramanga said:
Sounds like there's some money to be made in tinfoil hats.
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Scara I'm out and about so can't link you up, but I believe there is a lot, A LOT of credible evidence pointing to external corporations and governments creating turmoil and unrest in ME and African regions, to take control of their natural resources and hand out big contracts to arms dealers pre/during conflict, and post conflict divvying up the spoils.

I'm not alluding that's the only reason Western nations/Russia etc get involved, but there's a hell of a lot of money to be made from war, and plenty gold bullion to 'liberate' from evil dictators, who ironically these governments either supported or physically put in place previously.


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Anyone who thinks what the "home of the and the brave" do in other countries is for the good of the people who live there are living in cloud cuckoo land. "GIVE ME YOUR MONEY" and we promise we will not leave to much of a mess for you to clear up.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I'm not referring to an armed presence but financial and cultural, let them develop in a way they wish rather than the american template we must all conform to. Have a nice day.
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Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's heads and marching them to go and eat McDonald's.
 
AuroRaman said:
Scara I'm out and about so can't link you up, but I believe there is a lot, A LOT of credible evidence pointing to external corporations and governments creating turmoil and unrest in ME and African regions, to take control of their natural resources and hand out big contracts to arms dealers pre/during conflict, and post conflict divvying up the spoils.

I'm not alluding that's the only reason Western nations/Russia etc get involved, but there's a hell of a lot of money to be made from war, and plenty gold bullion to 'liberate' from evil dictators, who ironically these governments either supported or physically put in place previously.


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Evidence? I've seen a lot of circumstantial stuff and innuendo, nothing that would ever stand up in a court though.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
No it's worse than that, they brain wash your kids, you probably think the native americans got a good deal for the land they lived on.
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Brainwash my arse, that's just sales and marketing. You'd have to be pretty feeble of mind to have no choice but to go along with it.
 
scaramanga said:
Evidence? I've seen a lot of circumstantial stuff and innuendo, nothing that would ever stand up in a court though.
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I'll happily dig stuff out for you (although Google is your friend as well too ;) ), but it's Saturday night. Have you ever taken up @thfcsteff 's offer of reading All The Shah's Men?




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AuroRaman said:
I'll happily dig stuff out for you (although Google is your friend as well too ;) ), but it's Saturday night. Have you ever taken up @thfcsteff 's offer of reading All The Shah's Men?




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It's on my reading list, but it's a very long list.

It won't get bumped much either as it's hardly the most interesting subject matter for me.
 
scaramanga said:
It's on my reading list, but it's a very long list.

It won't get bumped much either as it's hardly the most interesting subject matter for me.
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It will, in approx 350 pages, offer you more perspective on what is currently happening than anything else you could read. Don't judge a book by (just) it's title! ;-)
 
AuroRaman said:
Not to mention his dealings with and clandestine support of Daesh. I have friends and family in Istanbul, there are murmurings that Erdogan staged the 'coup' himself in order to gain more control.

However Turkey has a history since Ataturk of the military staging coups when religion has tried to overtake secularism and democracy within the government.


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For me, within three hours of the news breaking I had reached that conclusion. It was sealed when I heard him talking live on air for the 'first time' since the coup' took place. My feelings are that he knew of a faction within the army that might push for this, gathered intelligence, allowed it to happen knowing he had enough to squash it AND do a clean-sweep of any lingering opposition left within. The west forced in a corner...they cannot be seen to 'support a military coup' and 'have to support a democratic Turkey (!!!!!!)' so Erdogan gets away with it by pushing the envelope hard in people's faces and watching them squirm because nothing can 'publicly' be done. Note too how it is the US-exiled former ally Güllen that is being targeted as 'the protagonist' behind all this by Erdogan, who will use it as leverage against the US. He is already asking for him to be arrested! This is a nightmare situation for the west as we are seeing the first conclusive proof of Daesh getting close to a firm foothold in the west via a nation.

2700 judges 'dismissed'...this man is very very dangerous IMO.
 
thfcsteff said:
For me, within three hours of the news breaking I had reached that conclusion. It was sealed when I heard him talking live on air for the 'first time' since the coup' took place. My feelings are that he knew of a faction within the army that might push for this, gathered intelligence, allowed it to happen knowing he had enough to squash it AND do a clean-sweep of any lingering opposition left within. The west forced in a corner...they cannot be seen to 'support a military coup' and 'have to support a democratic Turkey (!!!!!!)' so Erdogan gets away with it by pushing the envelope hard in people's faces and watching them squirm because nothing can 'publicly' be done. Note too how it is the US-exiled former ally Güllen that is being targeted as 'the protagonist' behind all this by Erdogan, who will use it as leverage against the US. He is already asking for him to be arrested! This is a nightmare situation for the west as we are seeing the first conclusive proof of Daesh getting close to a firm foothold in the west via a nation.

2700 judges 'dismissed'...this man is very very dangerous IMO.
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You and I don't agree much on politics but I couldn't agree more with the above.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I'm not referring to an armed presence but financial and cultural, let them develop in a way they wish rather than the american template we must all conform to. Have a nice day.
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Look, I agree with the premise but the reality is far removed. I would also further correct your assertion that it is all US template, agreed, in the last five decades or so, but we set that template in the middle east and as such are inextricable allies whose influence cannot be negated by simply calling us their pet.

We have fudged and fudged and fudged with the region so much, caused so much collateral damage and left so much instability in our wake that now is not the time to leave, as millions of innocent people will be left to deal with surging caliphates that they don't want yet which are growing in size as a direct resultof our interventions over the decades. It is a terrible situation.
 
thfcsteff said:
For me, within three hours of the news breaking I had reached that conclusion. It was sealed when I heard him talking live on air for the 'first time' since the coup' took place. My feelings are that he knew of a faction within the army that might push for this, gathered intelligence, allowed it to happen knowing he had enough to squash it AND do a clean-sweep of any lingering opposition left within. The west forced in a corner...they cannot be seen to 'support a military coup' and 'have to support a democratic Turkey (!!!!!!)' so Erdogan gets away with it by pushing the envelope hard in people's faces and watching them squirm because nothing can 'publicly' be done. Note too how it is the US-exiled former ally Güllen that is being targeted as 'the protagonist' behind all this by Erdogan, who will use it as leverage against the US. He is already asking for him to be arrested! This is a nightmare situation for the west as we are seeing the first conclusive proof of Daesh getting close to a firm foothold in the west via a nation.

2700 judges 'dismissed'...this man is very very dangerous IMO.
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Wallop!

So who are you really? Snowden or Assange ;)


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