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The point I made was simply that it easier to leave a party if it is 'morally bankrupt' and not so easy to leave active service if you view a war as 'morally bankrupt'. Nothing more. To me there is a line somewhere where you can disagree on a party's political direction and try to change it, as you said, or when you need to leave. I would say that line is a long way back in the mirror for Likud but we might see that differently.

As for the illegal orders, I was referring to Hegseth obviously. This point on the legality of his orders has also been made by US senators like Kelly and others. As I said, I have not served and would have no idea the dynamics at play for following orders that were knowingly illegal versus refusing orders, but I am genuinely interested in this. Would you not face court-martial for both? Would it not be reasonable to assume that someone in the chain of command knows that double-tapping a sinking vessel is an illegal order?

edit: this popped up in my feed just now where Kelly is talking about the illegal orders.
I left when my time was up you sign up for 3, 6, 9,12 or 22 years most of the people i knew left when there time was up you could leave earlier but you had to do a minimum of 3 years then it was a years notice. so yes it's much easier to leave a political party.

As for Likud if any member committed a crime they should be arrested & charged. Starting with Netanyahu I certainly don't agree with there manifesto but is the manifesto a crime in Australia it would be considered a hate crime UK ?

I don't know how the American air force works. but I guess the pilot would have had orders to search for boat's heading towards the US & what he should do if he comes come across said boat. If it was to contact base for further orders that's what he would do. If the order is to neutralise that boat he would then confirm that order. He would then carry out that order. The pilot would not carry out any attack without authorisation. If he did I would be shocked & in doing so he would open himself up to a court martial Does Hegseth have authority to order such an attack or the 2nd attack I really have no idea but neither would the pilot. As far as I can tell he followed orders. That should cover the pilot Hegseth & the pilots commanding officer might have questions to answer though

As for Kelly he is clearly biased & hates the Trump administration don't we all so I would take what he says with a pinch of salt.

 
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I left when my time was up you sign up for 3, 6, 9,12 or 22 years most of the people i knew left when there time was up you could leave earlier but you had to do a minimum of 3 years then it was a years notice. so yes it's much easier to leave a political party.

As for Likud if any member committed a crime they should be arrested & charged. Starting with Netanyahu I certainly don't agree with there manifesto but is the manifesto a crime in Australia it would be considered a hate crime UK ?

I don't know how the American air force works. but I guess the pilot would have had orders to search for boat's heading towards the US & what he should do if he comes come across said boat. If it was to contact base for further orders that's what he would do. If the order is to neutralise that boat he would then confirm that order. He would then carry out that order. The pilot would not carry out any attack without authorisation. If he did I would be shocked & in doing so he would open himself up to a court martial Does Hegseth have authority to order such an attack or the 2nd attack I really have no idea but neither would the pilot. As far as I can tell he followed orders. That should cover the pilot Hegseth & the pilots commanding officer might have questions to answer though

As for Kelly he is clearly biased & hates the Trump administration don't we all so I would take what he says with a pinch of salt.

We don't have to wait until this conflict is over to judge Netanyahu and the extremists in his party. Their war crimes are being televised in real time for all to see. And indeed the military doctrine employed by the IDF, the Dahiya doctrine, is in and of itself in breach of international law, and this is before one considers the use of starvation of civilians as a weapon of war. Netanyahu and Gallant have had warrants issued by the ICC for this action, and I assume this doesn't happen without fairly strong evidence. The commentary is that the prolonging of this conflict is in part to delay accountability for Netanyahu himself.

As for the Caribbean, I believe Trump is looking for casus belli with Venezuela, and these boat attacks are an attempt to manufacture a reason to invade. There is no evidence that these boats are carrying fentanyl (which actually doesn't come from Venezuela anyway), and even if there was such evidence it is now at the bottom of the sea. There is no war here, so orders to attack the boats are illegal to begin with. The Navy may interdict the boats and search them but not blow them up, according to the legal talking heads. So whoever gave the order, either Hegseth or Admiral Bradley has either committed murder or a war crime. Hegseth has already thrown Bradley under the bus, but we'll get Bradley's side when he talks to Congress. Bradley's predecessor resigned so he probably knew where this was headed and got out early. How far down the chain of command this will ripple, I don't know, but ex-US military in media are saying everyone is potentially in trouble.
 
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What about the law of snitches get stitches?

In future, he might be better off telling people he's mates with Jimmy Saville. It would be less embarrassing.

Ermmm OK lol. Snitches get stitches from a middle class dude from the South of England might be the most bizarre thing I've read on here. But yeah cool homie. Rep your hood.
 
Fair enough, but you should really reconsider describing people like that as a friend. People will judge you for that kind of thing, and not in a good way.

Great mate and proud of many of the roles the blokes done for the Met, including running towards fair danger on 7/7.

Take that kinda mate any day over what the alternative might be
 
Great mate and proud of many of the roles the blokes done for the Met, including running towards fair danger on 7/7.

Take that kinda mate any day over what the alternative might be
Someone who tries to prosecute those who risked their lives to protect us from terrorists?

Lowest of the low. Inhuman scum. Worse than nonces and wife beaters. Even worse than gingers.
 
Someone who tries to prosecute those who risked their lives to protect us from terrorists?

Lowest of the low. Inhuman scum. Worse than nonces and wife beaters. Even worse than gingers.
Nope, someone who interviews people on both sides and clears a backlog of claims made from everyone fairly.
 
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This is the NYT. People could take it seriously or continuing championing war crimes and genocide or actually look at facts.
 
Here is the CNN

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The IDF is the worst terror org in the whole of the world. And it's protected and funded by US tax payer money.
 
Who pays if a claim is found to be valid by your mate?
Its not a payment claim, he is on secondment from the Met and is in Liverpool investigating claims by the police and the IRA on crimes that were committed during the conflicts. Its part of the wider on going report to clean up claims that are still out there on false allegations on both sides and police brutality/mistreatment of people during that time
 
Its not a payment claim, he is on secondment from the Met and is in Liverpool investigating claims by the police and the IRA on crimes that were committed during the conflicts. Its part of the wider on going report to clean up claims that are still out there on false allegations on both sides and police brutality/mistreatment of people during that time
So he is assisting in prosecuting people who defended us against terrorists.

There's a far quicker, cheaper and fairer way to deal with the claims - tell them to go fudge themselves.

Your friend should have conscientiously objected to the role or made up some kind of link whereby he couldn't act evenly and fairly.
 
So he is assisting in prosecuting people who defended us against terrorists.

There's a far quicker, cheaper and fairer way to deal with the claims - tell them to go fudge themselves.

Your friend should have conscientiously objected to the role or made up some kind of link whereby he couldn't act evenly and fairly.

This is the silliest position you've ever taken. And I know you are just dik wagging as a populist flag shagger but it's basically just funny.
 
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