Politics, politics, politics

[Danishfurniturelover]

Cushy number?

Let me tell you, if the quality of the food in the friends restaurants drops in quality at the V&A he will be hearing from yours truly.

Nuttal will put up someone just like Farage used to, too much to lose if not elected. Will be interesting to see what the parties get at the ballot box.

 

[the dza]

Cushy number?

Let me tell you, if the quality of the food in the friends restaurants drops in quality at the V&A he will be hearing from yours truly.

Nuttal will put up someone just like Farage used to, too much to lose if not elected. Will be interesting to see what the parties get at the ballot box.

I think you are right in that it will be a straight fight between UKIP and Labour for the seat. I hope the local CLP choose a good local candidate who wants to do right by the area and campaigns on the issues for people there. May the best person win.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Tristan Hunt resigns to become director of the V & A, the wife is a friend of the V & A maybe I will get to meet him one time in the members restaurant.

Labour are going to be bum raped at the by election haha.

I've met Hunt before and he's a decent guy. He'd've been a great minister in a Milliband government. Intellectual socialists don't really have a chance these days though with the great unwashed/SWP mob having taken over Labour.

 

[the dza]

I've met Hunt before and he's a decent guy. He'd've been a great minister in a Milliband government. Intellectual socialists don't really have a chance these days though with the great unwashed/SWP mob having taken over Labour.

He's about as much of a socialist as Mason is a future Barcelona player.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

How can anybody with a name like Tristan be in the Labour party for GHod's sake?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

How can anybody with a name like Tristan be in the Labour party for GHod's sake?

Why not if he believes in Labour values, or are you saying the Labour party should persecute against people the extreme left do not like, what your hinting at is only a small step from racial profiling. But then Corbyn and his band of merry men's treatment of the Jews maybe it will happen.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Why not if he believes in Labour values, or are you saying the Labour party should persecute against people the extreme left do not like, what your hinting at is only a small step from racial profiling. But then Corbyn and his band of merry men's treatment of the Jews maybe it will happen.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That was really funny!

 

[Gutter Boy]

How can anybody with a name like Tristan be in the Labour party for GHod's sake?

2nd Viscount Stansgate

 

[the dza]

Apparently in her upcoming speech on Tuesday, May will tell the EU that unless there's an end to freedom of movement, they can stick the single market, ECJ and customs union up their b0ll0cks.

It does seem the EU have been pretty adamant that freedom of movement is non-negotiable if we want to be part of the single market. So does this now confirm that we will have a so-called hard brexit?

more here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...e-eurosceptics-major-brexit-speech-revealing/

*edit* infact on reading it again, it seems she will seek to exit all of those things anyway.

 

[Baleforce]

it's so fudging depressing

i despair that anyone could want anything other than freedom of movement

 

[monkeybarry]

it's so fudging depressing

i despair that anyone could want anything other than freedom of movement

I can understand why people would be against it:
Some for governance - uncontrolled migration across different political and economic environments can make it hard to manage.
Fear - that if "your" (and that word is where this argument falls down) economy is doing well an "outsider" will come and steal your slice of it.

I do think those are genuine concerns across a significant portion of Europe and the EU has to realise it needs to make a change for its future prospects as well as, at the extreme end, its existence.
I'm not sure what that change is though - maybe something like "free movement into a country with unemployment below a certain level" and you only "claim benefits for 3 months after entry (people have to eat!), after which you cannot claim again for two years".

I dunno. Either way I have a huge decision in the next two years - stay in the UK and be here forever vs move and see what happens.


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[Gutter Boy]

it's so fudging depressing

i despair that anyone could want anything other than freedom of movement

Free movement of unskilled workers only benefits big business. It lets them import the sweatshops - creating a race to the bottom on wages. For the state and for communities, a work permit system is much more desirable.

Leaving the single market and customs union is fine. We'll negotiate selected access to it much like CETA, but we also won't have those trade barriers in place between us and the other 85% of the world

 

[Baleforce]

I can understand why people would be against it:
Some for governance - uncontrolled migration across different political and economic environments can make it hard to manage.
Fear - that if "your" (and that word is where this argument falls down) economy is doing well an "outsider" will come and steal your slice of it.

I do think those are genuine concerns across a significant portion of Europe and the EU has to realise it needs to make a change for its future prospects as well as, at the extreme end, its existence.
I'm not sure what that change is though - maybe something like "free movement into a country with unemployment below a certain level" and you only "claim benefits for 3 months after entry (people have to eat!), after which you cannot claim again for two years".

I dunno. Either way I have a huge decision in the next two years - stay in the UK and be here forever vs move and see what happens.


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Free movement of unskilled workers only benefits big business. It lets them import the sweatshops - creating a race to the bottom on wages. For the state and for communities, a work permit system is much more desirable.

Leaving the single market and customs union is fine. We'll negotiate selected access to it much like CETA, but we also won't have those trade barriers in place between us and the other 85% of the world

thats what depresses me, the way people
think about it, the desire for a magic button fix for a complex series of problems

it's a balance gb, we're not going to see sweatshops in the uk whatever happens, we have laws against such practice, people are only going to move to be genuinely better off

freedom of movement benefits everyone immediately as it provides a larger market place to sell your skills and longer term as it breaks down perceived barriers built
on the idea that people are somehow different based on where they were born

 

[monkeybarry]

thats what depresses me, the way people
think about it, the desire for a magic button fix for a complex series of problems

it's a balance gb, we're not going to see sweatshops in the uk whatever happens, we have laws against such practice, people are only going to move to be genuinely better off

freedom of movement benefits everyone immediately as it provides a larger market place to sell your skills and longer term as it breaks down perceived barriers built
on the idea that people are somehow different based on where they were born

My biggest concern is around skills.
We know we have an under/mis skilled UK national workforce. And freedom of movement goes along way to helping alleviate that.
We can't just upskill people at the touch of a button, it takes decades. And it takes money and correct political focus. Money either means a booming economy - you need the skills to achieve that, or borrowing - we all know the situation there.
Political focus - the Tories won't invest and labour are pointless.

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[Baleforce]

My biggest concern is around skills.
We know we have an under/mis skilled UK national workforce. And freedom of movement goes along way to helping alleviate that.
We can't just upskill people at the touch of a button, it takes decades. And it takes money and correct political focus. Money either means a booming economy - you need the skills to achieve that, or borrowing - we all know the situation there.
Political focus - the Tories won't invest and labour are pointless.

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and the inevitable loss of single market access hurts the only industry where we are actually strong

may is just using it to win votes now, she's far more concerned with winning an election than protecting the economy

 

[monkeybarry]

and the inevitable loss of single market access hurts the only industry where we are actually strong

may is just using it to win votes now, she's far more concerned with winning an election than protecting the economy

It's lose-lose unless she calls an election.
Once Brexit starts people will view the Tories as incompetent irrespective of which side of the argument they are on.
UKIP and the Lib Dems will grow I think.

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[the dza]

My biggest concern is around skills.
We know we have an under/mis skilled UK national workforce. And freedom of movement goes along way to helping alleviate that.
We can't just upskill people at the touch of a button, it takes decades. And it takes money and correct political focus. Money either means a booming economy - you need the skills to achieve that, or borrowing - we all know the situation there.
Political focus - the Tories won't invest and labour are pointless.

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I think, politically, there isn't a problem selling skilled migration to the majority of people. It's much harder to sell the benefits of unskilled migration, particularly to people competing for the same jobs.

 

[monkeybarry]

I think, politically, there isn't a problem selling skilled migration to the majority of people. It's much harder to sell the benefits of unskilled migration, particularly to people competing for the same jobs.

Agreed, but once make the process of hiring skilled labour harder (sponsorship and therefore restrictions on future opportunities, minimum wage level way above market level) you will see that skilled labour look elsewhere in the EU for work.
At a young age London is a big draw. After that it's a hideous money pit fit for only entertainment.
So you are then left with a huge market for the skilled labour to go to with little restrictions and (tax rates depending) companies that will follow as well as a skills shortage in the UK.

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[Baleforce]

I think, politically, there isn't a problem selling skilled migration to the majority of people. It's much harder to sell the benefits of unskilled migration, particularly to people competing for the same jobs.

but that's isn't what's happening, the base skill set in this country is so low, thanks to education policies of the last two decades, that even an incoming box of canadian timber improves the collective IQ

we have a not insignificant group of people in this country not competing for a job at all as they have been convinced they are owed a living in their hometown

be it intentional politic, bloody mindedness or worse, to many, there is only one kind of immigration

 

[the dza]

but that's isn't what's happening, the base skill set in this country is so low, thanks to education policies of the last two decades, that even an incoming box of canadian timber improves the collective IQ

we have a not insignificant group of people in this country not competing for a job at all as they have been convinced they are owed a living in their hometown

This kind of thinking was part of the motivation for these people to go out to vote in the referendum, when they don't bother with general elections. Wanting a basic job in the area you are from, the cheek of it!