Danny Ings - Burnley's Number 10

[AdamB]

We don't have the money to sign a like for like replacement that is at the same level, best we could do for that is someone nearing retirement or a kid. What we can do is sign someone who can both fill in if necessary and play other positions.

The point isn't the price, it's that Ings isn't suited to being the '1' in Poch's 4-2-3-1

 

[milo]

The point isn't the price, it's that Ings isn't suited to being the '1' in Poch's 4-2-3-1

Why do you think that Adam? I have only watched Ings a handful of times this season but when I have I have been very impressed by his work rate and his willingness to close down opponents. He is not the finished article but I think that his tenacity would be a good fit for a Poch team and I think that he would work well in the positions behind Kane.

 

[indianspur]

Why do you think that Adam? I have only watched Ings a handful of times this season but when I have I have been very impressed by his work rate and his willingness to close down opponents. He is not the finished article but I think that his tenacity would be a good fit for a Poch team and I think that he would work well in the positions behind Kane.

I think that Adam might be worried that if Kane was out and Ings in it would leave us severely weak goal threat wise

As the 1 in a Poch team we need someone very clinical. We are nit a side that creates many clear cut chances and we don't score enough goals. Ings has many qualities, but I don't think he will ever be a prolific goalscorer, just a feeling.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I think that Adam might be worried that if Kane was out and Ings in it would leave us severely weak goal threat wise

As the 1 in a Poch team we need someone very clinical. We are nit a side that creates many clear cut chances and we don't score enough goals. Ings has many qualities, but I don't think he will ever be a prolific goalscorer, just a feeling.

I'm not sure that people appreciate how difficult it is to play as the '1' in the 4-2-3-1. It is probably the most difficult position to play on the pitch (if we discount having to play left back behind Nacer Chadli). Kane is the focal point of our attack and I'm not sure some on here appreciate how many times he has to hold the ball up, not necessarily from long, high balls (although we do play our share of those) but from passes into his feet with a defender close behind him. From what I saw Ings doesn't really have any physicality about him and I would be seriously worried that the ball would just come straight back far too often.

 

[parklane1]

Kane and Ings are two different players and as a back up it would leave us short.

 

[veron23]

I'm not sure that people appreciate how difficult it is to play as the '1' in the 4-2-3-1. It is probably the most difficult position to play on the pitch (if we discount having to play left back behind Nacer Chadli). Kane is the focal point of our attack and I'm not sure some on here appreciate how many times he has to hold the ball up, not necessarily from long, high balls (although we do play our share of those) but from passes into his feet with a defender close behind him. From what I saw Ings doesn't really have any physicality about him and I would be seriously worried that the ball would just come straight back far too often.

Like when we have Soldado in the team. The ball is always in our half as he can't make it stick.
Im glad someone else appreciates what a number 9 is. Its not about long balls direct play etc. Holding the ball up enables the 9 other outfield players to push a few meters up the pitch changing the complexion of the play completely in our favour.

I think it was Gutter Boy who ridiculed the idea of Benteke in the team as we are a "possession" team and not a "long ball" team. Utter nonsense

Theres a reason why the Chelsea concede such few goals. They defend from the front always having an outlet to hold the ball in the oppositions half taking the pressure of their own defence.

Its also no coincidence that we have high goal scoring midfielders now we finally have a player who knows how to hold the ball up and spread the play.

Hold up play has nothing to do with long balls. Unless your playing FM2015 or looking at a txt book.

FYI from what I've heard, Ings aint too bad at holding it up

 

[Gutter Boy]

Kane and Ings are two different players and as a back up it would leave us short.

I can't actually think of a player more Kane-like in European football. He's a little bit shorter yes, but his movement, positioning and style are very similar

 

[AdamB]

Why do you think that Adam? I have only watched Ings a handful of times this season but when I have I have been very impressed by his work rate and his willingness to close down opponents. He is not the finished article but I think that his tenacity would be a good fit for a Poch team and I think that he would work well in the positions behind Kane.

Just because he's not particularly big so not a target man or CF who can hold the ball up, and not particularly quick. Look at players who successfully played as 1 up top - Shearer, Berbatov was excellent at it, Drogba, Henry - they either had pace or strength.

You're right in that his work rate is a great asset in teh same way it was for Robbie Keane, Craig Bellamy etc and to me those are players who he is like - neither of those were an out and out front man in a '1 up top' tpye formation like we play.

I cant beleive that there's not better options out there

 

[Jordinho]

Just because he's not particularly big so not a target man or CF who can hold the ball up, and not particularly quick. Look at players who successfully played as 1 up top - Shearer, Berbatov was excellent at it, Drogba, Henry - they either had pace or strength.

You're right in that his work rate is a great asset in teh same way it was for Robbie Keane, Craig Bellamy etc and to me those are players who he is like - neither of those were an out and out front man in a '1 up top' tpye formation like we play.

I cant beleive that there's not better options out there

Maybe he's not being targeted as a direct understudy for Kane, but because he can play in several positions and is good at one of Poch's key tactical aspects: Defending from the front. He can also play up front if necessary.

It also does not mean we won't be looking at other strikers, just not Benteke.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I can't actually think of a player more Kane-like in European football. He's a little bit shorter yes, but his movement, positioning and style are very similar

I can.... In fact I think there is one currently at the same club as Ings.... Sam Vokes.

Of the PL players I saw last season Austin was probably the player I saw who had the most similar attributes to Kane.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Just because he's not particularly big so not a target man or CF who can hold the ball up, and not particularly quick. Look at players who successfully played as 1 up top - Shearer, Berbatov was excellent at it, Drogba, Henry - they either had pace or strength.

You're right in that his work rate is a great asset in teh same way it was for Robbie Keane, Craig Bellamy etc and to me those are players who he is like - neither of those were an out and out front man in a '1 up top' tpye formation like we play.

I cant beleive that there's not better options out there

Agreed. Ings would be fine if we were looking to play 4-4-2 (like Burnley) and pair him with a more physical player (as Burnley do). But if we asked Ings to play INSTEAD of Kane in our existing 4-2-3-1 then I think we would be seriously disappointed and like Veron23 said above we'd see ourselves in a situation similar to playing Soldado up front as our number 9.

 

[parklane1]

I can't actually think of a player more Kane-like in European football. He's a little bit shorter yes, but his movement, positioning and style are very similar

Well we will disagree, he plays a different game then Kane and apart from workrate he is nothing like him overall. As someone else has said Austin is the player who is similar and has scored more goals then Ings who ( imo) is not a striker.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Problem with both Ings and Austin (and really, any CF aspiring to fill one of the England CF positions) is that there will likely only be enough space on the pitch for one striker at any given time at Spurs, and it is very likely that Harry Kane, being the local lad come good, will be occupying that space consistently when fit. Wouldn't be a problem if the rotating/back-up striker was either of a different nationality or at an age where international caps aren't as important to him, but it is a problem when Kane is a) English himself, and b) likely to be competing for the same England slot that these players will be competing for (with the other forward 'slots' filled by a combination of Rooney, Sturridge, and whatever English striker happens to be on form and playing regularly at that time). I doubt Ings and Austin would want to be in that sort of competition when they could just as easily pick up regular time as a guaranteed starter at some other club, and impress Hodgson/the next England manager that way.

That's another reason why I don't think Soldado is going anywhere: beyond his enormous wages putting off suitors (except for the newly-rich Valencia, perhaps), he's also a) Spanish, and so unaffected by this situation, and b) old enough that he probably doesn't feel obligated to push for Spain caps at every given opportunity, unlike younger players. And I think any back-up/rotation option upfront that we look at will need to be one who is similarly unaffected by this situation, i.e either foreign, old, or happy to share playing time with a striker who aspires to fill a permanent role in the England side.

 

[indianspur]

Problem with both Ings and Austin (and really, any CF aspiring to fill one of the England CF positions) is that there will likely only be enough space on the pitch for one striker at any given time at Spurs, and it is very likely that Harry Kane, being the local lad come good, will be occupying that space consistently when fit. Wouldn't be a problem if the rotating/back-up striker was either of a different nationality or at an age where international caps aren't as important to him, but it is a problem when Kane is a) English himself, and b) likely to be competing for the same England slot that these players will be competing for (with the other forward 'slots' filled by a combination of Rooney, Sturridge, and whatever English striker happens to be on form and playing regularly at that time). I doubt Ings and Austin would want to be in that sort of competition when they could just as easily pick up regular time as a guaranteed starter at some other club, and impress Hodgson/the next England manager that way.

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yeah but it seems Ings is desperate to join Liverpool, deal almost done according to whispers, and i dont see how he expects he wiill be a regular starter there when Rodgers already has Sturridge and Origi, plus is heavily linked with buying another forward like a Benteke or a Berahino. I doubt Ings will be a first team week in week out starter at any top 6 club. If thats what he wants he needs to join a Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Stoke, Swansea etc.

Same with Austin, although Austin might not be so insistent on wanting regular football. Maybe he wouldnt mind being Kane's back up. Austin seems very grateful to have reached the level he has, saw an interview yesterday and he looks like a real nice and humble cahp

Interesting thing with Austin is that he has a year left on his deal, is at relegated and heavily in debt QPR. Im sure whoever is interested can get him for less than 10 mill which is a real bargain when we see Benteke being for sale at 32 mill

 

[braineclipse]

Maybe he's not being targeted as a direct understudy for Kane, but because he can play in several positions and is good at one of Poch's key tactical aspects: Defending from the front. He can also play up front if necessary.

It also does not mean we won't be looking at other strikers, just not Benteke.

Spot on. Hope we're after two strikers and that one of them will be fairly versatile. With financial restraints (as always) Ings seems like he would be a very good signing. But not looking likely atm.

yeah but it seems Ings is desperate to join Liverpool, deal almost done according to whispers, and i dont see how he expects he wiill be a regular starter there when Rodgers already has Sturridge and Origi, plus is heavily linked with buying another forward like a Benteke or a Berahino. I doubt Ings will be a first team week in week out starter at any top 6 club. If thats what he wants he needs to join a Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Stoke, Swansea etc.

Same with Austin, although Austin might not be so insistent on wanting regular football. Maybe he wouldnt mind being Kane's back up. Austin seems very grateful to have reached the level he has, saw an interview yesterday and he looks like a real nice and humble cahp

Interesting thing with Austin is that he has a year left on his deal, is at relegated and heavily in debt QPR. Im sure whoever is interested can get him for less than 10 mill which is a real bargain when we see Benteke being for sale at 32 mill

Agreed with this too.

Liverpool supposedly signed Lambert last season as their cover, a month later and Balotelli was signed and Lambert was relegated to at best third choice for a lone striker role. If I was Ings I would be worried both about that and Liverpool's poor transfer record recently, they seemingly aren't managing to identify players that fit into their system.

Austin seems like he might just be a good option, and like you say might not cost any more than Ings when it all comes down to it.

 

[Jordinho]

One of the biggest problems at Liverpool is the complete absence of a system. After two years of 'give it to Suarez', Rodgers doesn't seem to know what he wants based on this season. Constantly tinkering with the formation, not giving any of his strikers a run, but playing an increasingly out of form Sterling instead. They've also got Origi joining. I'm struggling to see what is so enticing about them for Ings.

 

[braineclipse]

One of the biggest problems at Liverpool is the complete absence of a system. After two years of 'give it to Suarez', Rodgers doesn't seem to know what he wants based on this season. Constantly tinkering with the formation, not giving any of his strikers a run, but playing an increasingly out of form Sterling instead. They've also got Origi joining. I'm struggling to see what is so enticing about them for Ings.

Secret desire to play as a right sided wing back in a back 3 system one week and as a left sided winger/inside forward in a 4-3-3 the next?

I just assumed he's a Liverpool fan or something...

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Liverpool are still a huge club for fans and players alike because of their history... And their a good location based in his current place do work

The bigger thing IMO is that they will offer him big wages in comparison to the norm. Their model now will be sign freebies (ok Ings won't be free) on big salaries as if they don't perform they still have a value

 

[wiziwig]

Maybe Chadli could be Kane's back up.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Liverpool are still a huge club for fans and players alike because of their history... And their a good location based in his current place do work

The bigger thing IMO is that they will offer him big wages in comparison to the norm. Their model now will be sign freebies (ok Ings won't be free) on big salaries as if they don't perform they still have a value

I'm not sure that I agree with all of that. If you sign a player on big wages and they don't perform, it is very difficult to then find another club who will match those big wages.