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Morgan Schneiderlin

Rossi22 said:
He's not a playmaker at all, where does this even come from??? The guy knows pass and move, he can give it five yards, move and receive comfortably but he doesn't have a dynamic pass in him. I don't know what's happened on here but it's as though we've become so accustomed to our CMs offering absolute zilch in terms of passing that anyone who doesn't stumble over the ball when trying to pass forward a few yards gets labelled as some kind of pass master. Schneiderlin is bland, he tackles, he intercepts, he passes simple and occasionally breaks forward off the ball. BLEURGH.
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[video=youtube;1EgNLzbdya8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EgNLzbdya8[/video]

All due respect, but that's an utterly woeful attempt to categorize what Schneiderlin offers. He's nothing like the player you've just described.
 
Oh FFS. Modric didn't make many incisive passes either, in terms of the last 'assisting' pass. Modric did what Bentaleb did in the last two games, he got the ball from defence to attack quickly. This is what Schneiderlin does, he takes the ball off the defenders or wins the ball himself and plays it forward quickly. He doesn't split the defence with a through-ball or cross. Neither did Modric or Carrick. Or at least they did it rarely. But we don't need Schneiderlin or Bentaleb to do that as we have Eriksen and Lamela who will do that.

The role of Schneiderlin would be to get the ball quickly to Eriksen and Lamela in the transition where the opposition are out of position and then Eriksen and Lamela have the space and time to inflict damage with either a shot or dangerous pass.
 
Rossi22 said:
You're going to have to provide evidence for this as I've certainly not seen it. Schneiderlin's creative/offensive output over a season is what you'd get from the likes of Fabregas, Ramsey and Yaya in a couple of games. If we're going to blow upwards of £20m on yet another central midfielder(how many have we gone through these past few years?) then I want one with game, not yet another ****ing DM who's "not bad" on the ball, why are we so scared of these players all of a sudden?

I mean just look at how his "creative" and "offensive" game compares to that of Dembele ffs



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what site is that Rossi ?

edit : nevermind, squawka
 
Also:

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/stats-zone-premier-league-central-midfielder-year

A player with high pass completion rates, who routinely completes more tackles and interceptions than almost anyone else in the Premier League, has a whopper of a pass on him (the video above being some evidence of that) and is both completely knowledgeable about Poch's style of play and a great age. What's not to like? I won't go on about the fact that Poch wants him and thus everything else should be largely irrelevant, but that is also a consideration you have to take into account. We can't keep second-guessing what the manager feels is necessary for the side, at least at the beginning of his tenure. At some point, we will have to make a buy that some people won't like. That's backing him.
 
Rossi22 said:
You're going to have to provide evidence for this as I've certainly not seen it. Schneiderlin's creative/offensive output over a season is what you'd get from the likes of Fabregas, Ramsey and Yaya in a couple of games. If we're going to blow upwards of £20m on yet another central midfielder(how many have we gone through these past few years?) then I want one with game, not yet another ****ing DM who's "not bad" on the ball, why are we so scared of these players all of a sudden?

I mean just look at how his "creative" and "offensive" game compares to that of Dembele ffs



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How do Schneiderlin's stats compare with Bentaleb's? Do they have other pass data? Things like length of pass.
 
milo said:
How do Schneiderlin's stats compare with Bentaleb's? Do they have other pass data? Things like length of pass.
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Schneiderlin comes out on top of pretty much every stat last season but then that's hardly surprising. Nabil's ahead over the two games this season, you can play about with it here - http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix

I don't want it to look like I'm using stats as the basis of my opinion, I also don't want to come across that I think Schneiderlin's a bad player. My point is that for £20m+ on yet another CM, I want one who can offer some tangible output, not another DM who can play a bit and give us one goal and one assist a year. Chelsea have Fabregas, City have Yaya, Arsenal have Ramsey ... Baldini and co should find us one of them if they're to spend that big again at CM, we have enough decent players there already. I won't moan if we sign him but I'm not going to pretend we've signed Luka mk.II.
 
Rossi, did you watch the video DubaiSpurs posted above, and did you think he looks like a good player?

He is not a Fabregas type player whatsoever, so the argument seems a bit irrelevant of Schneiderlin, it is more about the type of player you want
 
obviously you have to factor in Ronaldo Bale Isco Benzema playing in front of Modric as opposed Rodriguez Lambert Lallana and whoever else in front of Schneiderlin and the fact Modric is one of the best players in the world - but what i think we can see from that is that Schneiderlin is no more a dm than Luka is
 
Rossi22 said:
Schneiderlin comes out on top of pretty much every stat last season but then that's hardly surprising. Nabil's ahead over the two games this season, you can play about with it here - http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix

I don't want it to look like I'm using stats as the basis of my opinion, I also don't want to come across that I think Schneiderlin's a bad player. My point is that for £20m+ on yet another CM, I want one who can offer some tangible output, not another DM who can play a bit and give us one goal and one assist a year. Chelsea have Fabregas, City have Yaya, Arsenal have Ramsey ... Baldini and co should find us one of them if they're to spend that big again at CM, we have enough decent players there already. I won't moan if we sign him but I'm not going to pretend we've signed Luka mk.II.
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He isn't Luka MkII. I'll give you that much. But he's not as limited a DM as you suggest. Players like Modric are extremely rare and difficult to find ahead of the big clubs, and while I'd be delighted if we could find someone like that, at the moment we'll likely have to make do with the system set up as it is, i.e with the two deep-lying midfielders tasked with sending accurate long passes to the three midfielders behind the front man, who are then tasked with providing the creativity required to unlock defenses. And while that's going on, the two deep-lying players will have to close down like tigers, keep possession, draw players into committing challenges on them (which opens up spaces behind the onrushing tacklers) and emerge from the resulting challenge with the ball and also with the vision to spring a long, accurate pass into the newly created space.

In my eyes, Schneiderlin is simply the best at this sort of thing in the Premier League. He's techincally superb, he can dribble with ease, he can hit very accurate long passes, he closes down furiously and well, and he's very tactically astute, judging by his interview with Southampton's official magazine that was posted here a while ago and by his easy adaptation to Poch's system. He isn't Luka: but he is perfect for the system we're trying to build in my eyes, and I can see why Poch wants him. Even if I didn't, I'd still accept it if Poch wanted him, but that is beside the point.
 
Bullet said:
Rossi, did you watch the video DubaiSpurs posted above, and did you think he looks like a good player?

He is not a Fabregas type player whatsoever, so the argument seems a bit irrelevant of Schneiderlin, it is more about the type of player you want
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Schneiderlin is good at what he does, which is primarily tackle and put out any fires, he can play but he's hardly Modric. You're right that it's about the type of player I want though, Fabregas plays in a midfield two, so does Yaya and so does Ramsey sometimes. I want someone like that if we're intent on spending big on another CM, we already have enough players who are better going backwards than they are forward.
 
As someone else posted in another thread yesterday, Modric has ruined my view of what a cm should look like. No one is good enough anymore...
 
fair enough if you don't rate him good enough to improve us Rossi, i think the issue is more what type of player you regard him as - if our CMs stay the same and we line up 4231 - who would you choose as the 2? If we were to sign him, who do you think he'd be competing with in the 2?

im happy with the set up in the first two games, Bentaleb and Capoue - if we were to sign MS then IMV he'd replace Bentaleb, and be a marked improvement (not that i don't rate Bentaleb, just think MS is the better player) i don't see any player in our midfield who i think can provide what Bentaleb can, in the style of play we look to be heading towards (ball playing center mids who recycle the ball - outside of our current two starters i think we're rather weak in this respect) so to me it makes sense to buy a player who has those attributes. lose Bentaleb from our midfield atm and we're having to change our approach play as the players coming in have a vastly different style
 
Of course, one way to look at those stats is that if that is what he can do in the Southampton midfield, think how good he could be with us. Glass half full, etc.
Ultimately, if Poch wants him, that is good enough for me and whilst i have the upmost respect for the glory-glory brethren, Poch's view probably takes precedence!
 
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