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Loic Remy

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Or is he a player who looked superior in Spain but is unsuited to English football. I see Soldado and I can't help think of Fernando Morientes at Liverpool.... a seeminly fantastic striker who just never got going in England. personally I would happily lose Soldado if it meant we got Remy and £7 million.

In the Soldado thread around Feb/March I posted the exact same Finney. It mostly got ignored so Im glad others have the same fears as me regarding Soldado.

If we all take our Spurs glasses off and look at Soldado at the start of the season and look at him at the end of season (I admit he didnt get much of a run out towards the end) there's no sign for me which suggests he's come to terms with English football or even started to change his style :(

I did get some hope after the Southampton game at White Hart lane, although he didnt score, he held up the ball, brought others into the game, looked strong and up for a fight, then sadly after that game it went all down hill for him again. If Atletico Madrid offer 15m+ I would bite there hand off they are going to need two strikers with Villa and Costa leaving so its possible. If we replace Soldado with Remy for around 8-12m I think we have done well.
 
All I remember from that Saudi Sportswashing Machine game tbh was how they parked the bus and Tim Krul had a blinder. I've no issue with him being a very capable on-the-break player. I just don't think he's much use with the ball at his feet and an organised defence in front of him.

It was in the second half that we battered them and they were lucky to hold on. In the first half, while Krul admittedly made 2 or 3 excellent saves after sporadic attacks that we had we played far too slowly and didn't really threaten consistently. In that first half Saudi Sportswashing Machine exposed us by getting in behind us a number of times and Remy was instrumental in that.

It was more playing two quick orthodox wingers that made Redknapp's team counter attacking. Bringing in a proper #10 in vdV did start changing that, and obviously the move to possession-based was completed by AVB when he moved Bale inverted and went to 4-2-3-1. It's more about the area of the pitch where you play the game rather than the number of attacking players you have - pre-Rafa, Modric use to orchestrate from deep and Bale and Lennon ran on from deep too. Compare that to how we camped in opponents' halves under AVB (and also so towards the end of Redknapp's reign).

Disagree. Just because we had two quick wingers we didn't play as a counter attacking team. A counter attacking team looks to draw a team onto them and then get forward quickly when the opposition over commit. A counter attacking team will generally have much less possession than their opponents as a result of this (look at the way Chelsea often play in Europe for example). In most games under Redknapp we had a lions share of possession and that wasn't the kind of slow, passing it around, creating nothing, possession for possessions sake type football that we employed under AVB, but was good attacking possession. Yes we had two fast players out wide - but they both played as bog standard wide midfielders in a 4-4-2. I also disagree that Modric orchestrated from deep, he would be on the ball all over the pitch but was often on the ball close to the opposition's penalty area (usually in central and left sided positions) and even used to find himself on the ball in the oppositions penalty area. This happened towards the end of Redknapp's tenure but also early on as well (I remember for example the fantastic passing triangles that Modric, Krankjar and Corluka would often play around the opposition's box - it was brilliant to watch and would pull their defence all over the place and often lead to an opportunity to get the ball into Defoe for a shooting chance)

Do you perhaps decide that a team has a specific tactical approach merely because the team's wide midfielders happen to be pacy? Perhaps you also confuse Remy for being a "head down" player with "no awareness" just because he is quite explosive and happened to play for a Saudi Sportswashing Machine team that sometimes played on the break?

Although proven at the bottom half of the EPL, I actually think Remy is likely to be another Andy Carroll or Fellini type who can't make the step up, just because I don't think his style suits a possession side.

I'd rather just back Lamela and Townsend as direct RWFs and concentrate on bigger priority positions (LB, LWF, CB, CM).

Can I therefore assume by this that you don't think France are a possession side? Do they just play on the counter attack? (I have no real idea either way here as I can't say that I have really watched them in recent years, but I would be surprised if France played purely as a counter attacking team, it just doesn't seem to fit their football philosophy).

Turning it back to Pochettino's THFC - do you not think that Remy's pace and directness could be used as a potent weapon when we turn the ball over high up the pitch (as I believe is his coaching philosophy?).

Bringing in Remy would also allow us to sell Soldado, probably netting us money to allow us to also strengthen in your priority positions of LB, CB and CM as well as directly contributing to one of the problem positions that you have identified (LWF).
 
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It was in the second half that we battered them and they were lucky to hold on. In the first half, while Krul admittedly made 2 or 3 excellent saves after sporadic attacks that we had we played far too slowly and didn't really threaten consistently. In that first half Saudi Sportswashing Machine exposed us by getting in behind us a number of times and Remy was instrumental in that.



Disagree. Just because we had two quick wingers we didn't play as a counter attacking team. A counter attacking team looks to draw a team onto them and then get forward quickly when the opposition over commit. A counter attacking team will generally have much less possession than their opponents as a result of this (look at the way Chelsea often play in Europe for example). In most games under Redknapp we had a lions share of possession and that wasn't the kind of slow, passing it around, creating nothing, possession for possessions sake type football that we employed under AVB, but was good attacking possession. Yes we had two fast players out wide - but they both played as bog standard wide midfielders in a 4-4-2. I also disagree that Modric orchestrated from deep, he would be on the ball all over the pitch but was often on the ball close to the opposition's penalty area (usually in central and left sided positions) and even used to find himself on the ball in the oppositions penalty area. This happened towards the end of Redknapp's tenure but also early on as well (I remember for example the fantastic passing triangles that Modric, Krankjar and Corluka would often play around the opposition's box - it was brilliant to watch and would pull their defence all over the place and often lead to an opportunity to get the ball into Defoe for a shooting chance)

Do you perhaps decide that a team has a specific tactical approach merely because the team's wide midfielders happen to be pacy? Perhaps you also confuse Remy for being a "head down" player with "no awareness" just because he is quite explosive and happened to play for a Saudi Sportswashing Machine team that sometimes played on the break?



Can I therefore assume by this that you don't think France are a possession side? Do they just play on the counter attack? (I have no real idea either way here as I can't say that I have really watched them in recent years, but I would be surprised if France played purely as a counter attacking team, it just doesn't seem to fit their football philosophy).

Turning it back to Pochettino's THFC - do you not think that Remy's pace and directness could be used as a potent weapon when we turn the ball over high up the pitch (as I believe is his coaching philosophy?).

Bringing in Remy would also allow us to sell Soldado, probably netting us money to allow us to also strengthen in your priority positions of LB, CB and CM as well as directly contributing to one of the problem positions that you have identified (LWF).

Bringing in Remy and selling Soldado enabling us to raise funds for other positions?? Right now I think the 9 or so mill it will cost to buy Remy is more than we are likely to receive for Soldado :)
 
I'm with Gutter Boy on this. Remy would work better for a team other than ours and how we will play under Pochettino.

However, if we were to sign Remy, it shouldn't be at the expense of Soldado unless Pochettino is adamant that he will not use him and / or unless we can get something like our money back for him.

Would be utter madness to chuck away £10-15 million on the basis of one season at a new team in a new league in a new country under one manager whose team was paralysed in attack by the rigidity of the tactics and, subsequently, a second manager who was tactically clueless and who, anyway, rarely gave Soldado (clearly, by then, lacking in confidence) any kind of a run in the team in which to rediscover his form.
 
Whenever I've seen Remy he has looked really capable, fast and a clinical finisher, bring him in if he is cheap.
 
Whenever I've seen Remy he has looked really capable, fast and a clinical finisher, bring him in if he is cheap.

He was available on loan last year when we could have tried him out for free yet we overlooked him despite giving QPR two of our players on loan and therefore having leverage. I simply cannot fathom our scouting network. Same with Demba Ba who was stunning in West Ham's relegation season but we were not imaginative to give him the sort of contract Saudi Sportswashing Machine did...
 
French media reporting he's got a 4-year contract on the table from us

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On the above, don't think we were a primarily counter-attacking outfit under Redknapp.

Infact, the team that actually qualified us for the Champions League didn't even line up in a conventional 4-4-2, it lined up like this for the majority of the season:

..............................Defoe
......................................................Lennon
.Modric/Kranjcar........Keane

.................Palacios........Huddlestone

BAE...........Bassong............Dawson.......Corluka

It wasn't even a team that relied on pace for much of the season. It was a possession-based team that had players that could hit the early ball to Lennon and Defoe as part of its armoury.

The early ball for Lennon/Defoe led to some of the team's most devastating and stand-out victories (9-1 v Wigan is the prime example), so that ball stuck in the minds of many who watched highlights.

I remember watching us beat Hull 5-1 away though early on that season, and we passed them to death with little short give and go passes and most of our goals came from 1-2s around the box whilst maintaining a constant attacking pressure high up the pitch.
 
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Both Arsenal and Tottenham have spoken to Loic Remy. He has agreed terms with Spurs but Wenger is waiting until after WC.

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Spanish newspaper MARCA report Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino has already made a concrete bid for Loic Remy. #THFC

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#REPORTS Loic Remy has reportedly agreed terms with #THFC despite #AFC being his first choice....

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Tottenham are now as short as 1/2 to sign Loic Remy with best price 3/1 available here -> http://bit.ly/SkyTransfers #THFC

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Nothing gospel. I've also seen that we are also after Bony, who I'd much prefer.
 
if this is true one of soldado or ade is off.

not necessarily if we sell Siggy and send Kane on loan (we can still keep him, because we will play in 4 competitions)

---------------Ade/Soldado
Chadli/Remy -----------------Lamela/Townsend(Lennon)
 
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not necessarily if we sell Siggy and send Kane on loan (we can still keep him, because we will play in 4 competitions)

---------------Ade/Soldado
Chadli/Remy -----------------Lamela/Townsend(Lennon)

I think Chadli isn't supposed to be a winger (not a traditional one at least), which most of his performances last year showed us. I seem to recall was much better those few games i played in the middle
 
not necessarily if we sell Siggy and send Kane on loan (we can still keep him, because we will play in 4 competitions)

---------------Ade/Soldado
Chadli/Remy -----------------Lamela/Townsend(Lennon)


Remy plays more on the right than the left. That's one of my objections - that he'd leave us with 4 righties and only 1 leftie.
 
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