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Andros Townsend

thfcsteff said:
One player who split opinions here is Andros Townsend. I pondered whether he had the football intelligence to be a great player. AVB showed that with effective coaching, he could be quite a weapon. I felt that he was starting to develop some extra dimensions to his play before the wheels started coming off the wagon and he got the first of his injuries.

I wonder if Poch will be the guy who can bring him back? Because he wants it, he absolutely wants it does Andros THAT'S for sure! I hope Poch can get the lad to fulfil what we started to see…it would be like another signing.
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I don't think his early season form had much to do with AVB's coaching. He had done alright at QPR and carried that across to us. Unfortunately, there is no end product and he has a lack of awareness of what other players are doing.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
Look at Jordan Henderson now and compare him to the player he was 2 years ago. He has improved drastically with the right coaching under his manager.

Look at Aaron Ramsey now at 24 and compare him to the play he was 2 years ago. He is now arguable Arsenal's most important player. This change was really done over the past year, further proof it is ridiculous to right off Townsend at this stage.
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It's Jordinho.....he hates Townsend.
 
I for one think Townsend has the potential to be an excellent player for us. He has the skill and the technique and I think if he listens and opens his mind he will learn when to pass / cross and when to dribble and shoot.
 
Look what Laudrup did with Routledge as another example to Naijas excellent examples. Walcott similarly has improved under Wenger.

I think with good coaching he could be an excellent player. He has pace, can dribble, can cross, two decent feet and can actually finish fairly well. He just has no footballing brain.

Without being disrespectful I think intelligence isn't always a virtue in top footballers. Footballing intelligence sometimes is natural but without a doubt it can be taught and coached. Give them precise instructions and make them practise in training instead of just running about and results will come to fruition.
 
Arsenal fans use to boo Aaron Ramsey, they all wanted him out of the team and he use to get so much stick when he misplaced a pass. Now they all say if he had not been injured they would have won the league. Aaron Ramsey in 12 months has become good enough to walk into any team in the country.
 
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Of course if Townsend feels he is good enough already he will end up going the way of David Bentley, but I think all he is lacking is the right coaching and I think he will want to prove himself at Spurs.
 
Townsend's essential attributes are that of a winger: pace, agility and a desire to take players on and beat them. He's probably been coached to be a winger for a long time now. However, we seem to be looking at transitioning to a style of play that relies on the wingers being play-makers or inside forwards, obviating a large portion of Townsend's skill set in one go.

I dearly want him to stay. We need more Spurs fans and local lads in the squad. However, learning how to use his skills in a different manner may take a lot of time, and I'm not sure if the club will give him that time.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Townsend's essential attributes are that of a winger: pace, agility and a desire to take players on and beat them. He's probably been coached to be a winger for a long time now. However, we seem to be looking at transitioning to a style of play that relies on the wingers being play-makers or inside forwards, obviating a large portion of Townsend's skill set in one go.

I dearly want him to stay. We need more Spurs fans and local lads in the squad. However, learning how to use his skills in a different manner may take a lot of time, and I'm not sure if the club will give him that time.
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probably wait til the first game to be sure. Poch didnt have anyone like lennon or townsend at his disposal in saints so i wouldnt bet the house just yet that he is going to implement the system Jol and AVB both wanted to implement here

he might actually like the idea of having at least one road runner in the starting 11, makes for an easier counter attacking transition gamem which always comes in handy if you want to press from the top

i'm curious to see what happens with soldado
 
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NaijaSpurs said:
Look at Jordan Henderson now and compare him to the player he was 2 years ago. He has improved drastically with the right coaching under his manager.

Look at Aaron Ramsey now at 24 and compare him to the play he was 2 years ago. He is now arguable Arsenal's most important player. This change was really done over the past year, further proof it is ridiculous to right off Townsend at this stage.
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the thing that took ramsey and henderson to another level was confidence in my opinion. for ramsey, it seems like he has finally gotten over his injury. and for henderson, perhaps his pricetag and inevitable pressure weighed on his shoulders for a while.

the "problem" i have with townsend is that we have already seen what he is like when he is playing with full confidence and belief in himself. and that peak, is just not a high enough peak for him to be a regular starter for us, if we want to get into the champions league. he has played 30 times for us now in the league and has only scored 1 goal. granted, not all of those games were played when he was on fire, but it just shows, even when he was playing well, he only scored 1 goal. compared to england's first choice right winger, theo walcott, that goals to game ratio is just horrendous. and his overall game was not that good either.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
You are obviously too young to remember Ian Wright at 22 when he signed for Crystal Palace and how he was coached by Steve Coppell. Wrighty owes his career to Coppell because he taught him so much. It was Coppell that taught Wright how to read the game as a striker and about awareness in and around the box.

If Townsend is ready to learn he has time on his side, it is up to him
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Yeah, I think this is it in a nutshell…will be interesting to see how it goes. One thing I do know…there was no love for TS…there again, that went for pretty much the whole squad by the end.
 
Neymar said:
the "problem" i have with townsend is that we have already seen what he is like when he is playing with full confidence and belief in himself. and that peak, is just not a high enough peak for him to be a regular starter for us, if we want to get into the champions league. he has played 30 times for us now in the league and has only scored 1 goal.
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Not a far cry from Ramsey who scored 3 goals in his first 30 league matches
 
NaijaSpurs said:
Not a far cry from Ramsey who scored 3 goals in his first 30 league matches
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but townsend is an inside forward. and rasmey plays mostly as 1 of the 2 midfielders in a 4-2-3-1. in addition, ramsey was a teenager at the time.
 
The longer we go without seeing out player play the better they get. Townsend will be a world beater again by the end of the summer.
 
You can't write anyone off. I can even see Aaron Lennon being given a new lease of life. Its very hard to predict which players just take a new manager's ideas on board and start blossoming and which players just can't hack it under a new regime.

I remember when we signed Postiga, Kanoute and Zamora. Kanoute was the one I was 'meh' about and I was excited about the other two. Kanoute turned out to be an absolute beast and the other two were 'meh'. Similarly, look how Jordan Henderson is now developing under Rodgers this season at Liverpool. Few are laughing at that £20m investment now, but its taken them a few years to start realising it. Proper coaching isn't done very often in this country unfortunately, the pressures of the Premier League have meant that for managers constantly under pressure, they sign players and only keep the ones that just happen to hit the ground running by luck. They don't bother to coach the ones struggling.

Luckily there are a few managers now that are bucking the trend and have the confidence to persevere in the face of pressure. Luckily, we have just recruited one of them.
 
NWND said:
You can't write anyone off. I can even see Aaron Lennon being given a new lease of life. Its very hard to predict which players just take a new manager's ideas on board and start blossoming and which players just can't hack it under a new regime.

I remember when we signed Postiga, Kanoute and Zamora. Kanoute was the one I was 'meh' about and I was excited about the other two. Kanoute turned out to be an absolute beast and the other two were 'meh'. Similarly, look how Jordan Henderson is now developing under Rodgers this season at Liverpool. Few are laughing at that £20m investment now, but its taken them a few years to start realising it. Proper coaching isn't done very often in this country unfortunately, the pressures of the Premier League have meant that for managers constantly under pressure, they sign players and only keep the ones that just happen to hit the ground running by luck. They don't bother to coach the ones struggling.

Luckily there are a few managers now that are bucking the trend and have the confidence to persevere in the face of pressure. Luckily, we have just recruited one of them.
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This is very true and another reason why we should not be too quick to sell off players like Paulinho/Soldado/Chadli/Sig
 
milo said:
I'm not sure that you are in the best position to criticise others for an irrational (not saying that it is irrational Jord BTW) hatred of a player.
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Can you let me be for a day or two? maybe a few hours even?

If you consider my hatred of Invisibilinho irrational then so is Jordinho's in regards to Townsend (so i fail to see why you're so quick to reassure him that you're not saying it is).
 
I am not convinced he has enough to his game to adapt. I think he is one dimensional. He IS just a winger, he is not a versatile midfielder.

The pace is a great asset, but the decision making is more often than not quite appalling. If it can be worked on, then sure, he can become a threat. No doubt. I just don't think he can do it.
 
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