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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?


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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The stats are relevant for me and they show him in a good light, I'm not going to dismiss them. Our performances on the field though are terrible and for me are a bigger indicator of things to come. As are the dimwitted comments about our squad in the press.


of course they are relevant, arguments are always better supported if you have some stats to back up your logic, however purely offering up a table of stats and basing your whole view point upon them is rather weak IMV.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Since Sherwood's appointment, only Emirates Marketing Project (46) and Liverpool (57) have scored more Premier League goals than Spurs (37).


I'd love to see our 'against' column…and the cynic in me might point out that he isn't involved in coaching the strikers anymore.
 
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I'll tell you what I find fantastic about all this…

…there are stats being produced and posted to illustrate how great Timbo is and how much better a job he's done than any other Spurs manager ever in the history of ever ever land, and how great he is and wonderful to boot…yet in a few weeks he will be gone. Not because Tottenham Hotspur FC read message boards with a few big-mouths like myself waffling on, but because the cub work with him and his every day, have been working with him and his every day for some time, and have thus seen some things which (to them) negate every statistic being shown. Now, I am sure they have access to the same statistics being posted here, indeed, I'll bet they can break it all down in far greater detail and in far more categories. Yet still they want shot of him as soon as possible. There would, one must conclude, be a series of exceptionally good reasons for that happening.

So whatever we all bicker about, Tim Sherwood will be on his merry way in a few weeks because the club know more about the whole picture than we do. That's it really isn't it?!
 
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I'd love to see our 'against' column…and the cynic in me might point out that he isn't involved in coaching the strikers anymore.

AVB had a Premier League goal difference of -6 this season.

Sherwood has a goal difference of +9 with two games to play this season.
 
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AVB had a Premier League goal difference of -6 this season.

Sherwood has a goal difference of +9 with two games to play this season.

Genuine question, because this is your arena -statistics- is this due to the exceptionally low 'goals for' column? I'm guessing that if his job hadn't unraveled at City away/Liverpool home, we'd be hoverring better in said-column.

BTW, am I assuming, based on statistics alone, you want Tim Sherwood to miraculously stay as the manager of this club?
 
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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'll tell you what I find fantastic about all this…

…there are stats being produced and posted to illustrate how great Timbo is and how much better a job he's done than any other Spurs manager ever in the history of ever ever land, and how great he is and wonderful to boot…yet in a few weeks he will be gone. Not because Tottenham Hotspur FC read message boards with a few big-mouths like myself waffling on, but because the cub work with him and his every day, have been working with him and his every day for some time, and have thus seen some things which (to them) negate every statistic being shown. Now, I am sure they have access to the same statistics being posted here, indeed, I'll bet they can break it all down in far greater detail and in far more categories. Yet still they want shot of him as soon as possible. There would, one must conclude, be a series of exceptionally good reasons for that happening.

So whatever we all bicker about, Tim Sherwood will be on his merry way in a few weeks because the club know more about the whole picture than we do. That's it really isn't it?!

I agree 100%.

I think that it is a shame that there is also a small minority who aren't also able to accept that he was given the job on an interim basis partly on merit (although mainly because LvG and FdB were unwilling to take the job mid season) and that he is not the pantomime villain that some have painted him out to be. The debate on Sherwood has descended into a circus sideshow and decent discussion around football have suffered as a result.
 
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I'll tell you what I find fantastic about all this…

…there are stats being produced and posted to illustrate how great Timbo is and how much better a job he's done than any other Spurs manager ever in the history of ever ever land, and how great he is and wonderful to boot…yet in a few weeks he will be gone. Not because Tottenham Hotspur FC read message boards with a few big-mouths like myself waffling on, but because the cub work with him and his every day, have been working with him and his every day for some time, and have thus seen some things which (to them) negate every statistic being shown. Now, I am sure they have access to the same statistics being posted here, indeed, I'll bet they can break it all down in far greater detail and in far more categories. Yet still they want shot of him as soon as possible. There would, one must conclude, be a series of exceptionally good reasons for that happening.

So whatever we all bicker about, Tim Sherwood will be on his merry way in a few weeks because the club know more about the whole picture than we do. That's it really isn't it?!

I'm pretty sure he will be gone too. Yet somehow it doesn't stop you and others ragging on about him and his faults? If you know he's gone anyway, what difference does it make? Now, I could imagine how painful it must be after each win or point or goal it must be, but still.

As far as Tottenham 'knowing much more about him that we do', yeah I'm sure they do. And knowing what they did, and they have known him for a long time, they appointed him. And then gave him an extension. And so I imagine your beef is more with Tottenham than it is with Sherwood. I mean, if he's as bad as you say he is, then the worse you make him out to be, the worse it makes the club look.

By the way, this stuff about how his record and stats doesn't matter, thats rubbish. You know as well as I, that if his record and win % and goals scored were crap, then you and others would be vocal about it. Then his record would suddenly matter a whole lot.

I'm also wondering if by dismissing records we are setting up FDB or whoever else comes in. Will the new managers record matter at all? If Timmeh is crap, how much better will the new managers record have to be or expected to be? Ten times as good? (I know, cue the 'I don't care how well the new manager does, we got rid of Timmeh and that's all that matters...".
 
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I'll tell you what I find fantastic about all this…

…there are stats being produced and posted to illustrate how great Timbo is and how much better a job he's done than any other Spurs manager ever in the history of ever ever land, and how great he is and wonderful to boot…yet in a few weeks he will be gone. Not because Tottenham Hotspur FC read message boards with a few big-mouths like myself waffling on, but because the cub work with him and his every day, have been working with him and his every day for some time, and have thus seen some things which (to them) negate every statistic being shown. Now, I am sure they have access to the same statistics being posted here, indeed, I'll bet they can break it all down in far greater detail and in far more categories. Yet still they want shot of him as soon as possible. There would, one must conclude, be a series of exceptionally good reasons for that happening.

So whatever we all bicker about, Tim Sherwood will be on his merry way in a few weeks because the club know more about the whole picture than we do. That's it really isn't it?!

Steff, noone is saying Sherwood is the best thing since sliced bread. But like it or lump it he statistically is Spurs' best manager, and we aren't talking over a few games anymore. Some are just saying he's done a good job, and even when I don't like someone I am big enough to admit that - some of what has been said on here is the most twisted, and ridiculous biased things I have ever seen on here to the point its embarrassing.

You say the club have been working with him every day and want him gone like that means its the right decision? Are you suddenly telling me Levy hires and fires managers correctly? Because that's certainly news to me....
 
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I agree 100%.

I think that it is a shame that there is also a small minority who aren't also able to accept that he was given the job on an interim basis partly on merit (although mainly because LvG and FdB were unwilling to take the job mid season) and that he is not the pantomime villain that some have painted him out to be. The debate on Sherwood has descended into a circus sideshow and decent discussion around football have suffered as a result.

Interesting you say that, ive been arguing the case for TS partly because im not one to just go overboard and wanting him out without any appropriate succession planning. The majority on here, and i harp on about this phrase wany 'anyone but Tim'.

I would be happy for TS to stay but also of the mindset that if someone proven and someone who can be regarded as having the ability to take us to the higher level is available I would be happy too.

If FDB would only come next summer then id happily stick with TS yet people on here would be happy with settling for 'second best' just because it fits in with their agenda and motive of 'anyone but Tim'.
 
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I agree 100%.

I think that it is a shame that there is also a small minority who aren't also able to accept that he was given the job on an interim basis partly on merit (although mainly because LvG and FdB were unwilling to take the job mid season) and that he is not the pantomime villain that some have painted him out to be. The debate on Sherwood has descended into a circus sideshow and decent discussion around football have suffered as a result.

I hold my hands up as being part of that, but as we have discussed, I feel I have 'some' reason! :-(
 
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I hold my hands up as being part of that, but as we have discussed, I feel I have 'some' reason! :-(

I'm not trying to have a pop at anyone here but I am sure that plenty of people thought that they had some reason to constantly snipe at AVB or Redknapp too. I just don't think that it achieves much and it gets ****ing boring to read the same crap day after day.

I'm all for criticising Sherwood for the way he has presented the club to the press, criticism of the shape of our midfield or the goals conceded column is all fair. What I think is silly is the pretence that he has not got anything right, that his work with the development squad is worthless or that his predecessor never got anything wrong which are all patently wrong.
 
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Answers in bold mate

I'm pretty sure he will be gone too. Yet somehow it doesn't stop you and others ragging on about him and his faults? If you know he's gone anyway, what difference does it make? Now, I could imagine how painful it must be after each win or point or goal it must be, but still.

The last sentence there is unnecessary. I freely cop to the first few. Of course, that boot should be tried on the other foot too, but I'll stick yo your point and your point is clear. The difference it makes to me is that this is about defining WHAT'S important. Is it just finding ways to win? Or is it about having some class, some character and some clear principles which concur with what this glorious club is all about? I was happy to be quiet until I saw stat after stat popping up and started to see people trying to shoehorn him into a position of 'genius'…well, that and 'leakgate' which I thought was about as ****ing low as it gets.




As far as Tottenham 'knowing much more about him that we do', yeah I'm sure they do. And knowing what they did, and they have known him for a long time, they appointed him. And then gave him an extension. And so I imagine your beef is more with Tottenham than it is with Sherwood. I mean, if he's as bad as you say he is, then the worse you make him out to be, the worse it makes the club look.


I wasn't delighted at the start. I've been clear about that. I gave him my support and kept quiet for some time, hoping he would learn. As did the club. indeed, did you know that until 5 weeks ago, there was still a strong chance he would retain the position? Only he started to become so rogue and so untennable that even some of the powers that be couldn't wrap their heads around it. I think everyone tried very hard with him. But somewhere the love affair ended pretty quickly. He has more than done his bit to that end. But to be clear, my 'beef' is with Sherwood for his frankly disgraceful public conduct.




By the way, this stuff about how his record and stats doesn't matter, thats rubbish. You know as well as I, that if his record and win % and goals scored were crap, then you and others would be vocal about it. Then his record would suddenly matter a whole lot.

Listen, the bloke could win the ****ing title, don't you get it? I think he is a ****, I think he is dragging our club through all sorts of mud via his own nefarious ****iness and I actually don't think he will win anything for us ever anyway, thus the first bit won't ever be a possibility. I don't want people like him running our football team. Stats or otherwise. One thing I always said about AVB (check if you want) is that even if he fails, he will have failed by trying his absolute hardest and without dragging us through the gutter of press week after week. This is about more than just 'winning'…

I'm also wondering if by dismissing records we are setting up FDB or whoever else comes in. Will the new managers record matter at all? If Timmeh is crap, how much better will the new managers record have to be or expected to be? Ten times as good? (I know, cue the 'I don't care how well the new manager does, we got rid of Timmeh and that's all that matters…".
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It's a really fair point you make. IF AVB hadn't decided he'd had enough too, I would've been OK with seeing him here until the end of the season regardless. But yes, at a certain point there needs to be some patience all round. I agree with that. In return, all I would ask of any incoming manager is to get some proper media training or, better still, respect our club!

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I'm not trying to have a pop at anyone here but I am sure that plenty of people thought that they had some reason to constantly snipe at AVB or Redknapp too. I just don't think that it achieves much and it gets ****ing boring to read the same crap day after day.

I'm all for criticising Sherwood for the way he has presented the club to the press, criticism of the shape of our midfield or the goals conceded column is all fair. What I think is silly is the pretence that he has not got anything right, that his work with the development squad is worthless or that his predecessor never got anything wrong which are all patently wrong.

Fair comment indeed, and I think the more isolated conversations become, the more ludicrous these things get. I am part of that too. I will say that I have praised his introduction of Bentaleb many times, indeed, I liked the player when most here were ****ging him off! Ditto Ade. But he has ceased to function these last 6-8 weeks IMO and is now solely reliant on the quality and professionalism of the players he puts out there. makes me wonder what was possible, further, it makes me lament what a missed opportunity this season has been in so many ways. it will hurt us for a long time.
 
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Interesting you say that, ive been arguing the case for TS partly because im not one to just go overboard and wanting him out without any appropriate succession planning. The majority on here, and i harp on about this phrase wany 'anyone but Tim'.

I would be happy for TS to stay but also of the mindset that if someone proven and someone who can be regarded as having the ability to take us to the higher level is available I would be happy too.

If FDB would only come next summer then id happily stick with TS yet people on here would be happy with settling for 'second best' just because it fits in with their agenda and motive of 'anyone but Tim'.

I agree in part but I am not sure that I would go as far as be willing to wait until next summer for FDB because I would be worried that we would be gazumped by a bigger club if he had another good season at Ajax.

What I find odd is people giving Sherwood no credit for keeping the points coming in whilst all of the speculation about his future has been going on and blooding a few youngsters in the first team at the same time. And for all of the speculation from his critics about a disgruntled squad, we keep fighting back, when the squad could have easily chucked in the towel like Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Plenty of proven managers would have fallen under the same circumstances.
 
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Steff, noone is saying Sherwood is the best thing since sliced bread. But like it or lump it he statistically is Spurs' best manager, and we aren't talking over a few games anymore. Some are just saying he's done a good job, and even when I don't like someone I am big enough to admit that - some of what has been said on here is the most twisted, and ridiculous biased things I have ever seen on here to the point its embarrassing.

You say the club have been working with him every day and want him gone like that means its the right decision? Are you suddenly telling me Levy hires and fires managers correctly? Because that's certainly news to me....

As ever in our discussions, a fair post. I would argue that he has done a 'good job'…he had done some good things in his job, but I don't believe he has done a good job necessarily. IMV...
 
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I'm not trying to have a pop at anyone here but I am sure that plenty of people thought that they had some reason to constantly snipe at AVB or Redknapp too. I just don't think that it achieves much and it gets ****ing boring to read the same crap day after day.

I'm all for criticising Sherwood for the way he has presented the club to the press, criticism of the shape of our midfield or the goals conceded column is all fair. What I think is silly is the pretence that he has not got anything right, that his work with the development squad is worthless or that his predecessor never got anything wrong which are all patently wrong.

Good post.
 
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