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Fair play Daniel Levy

Managers are just as expendable as players. A change of manager can improve us short term AND keep us on track for our long term goals.

I look at the success of certain clubs and you have to ask, do you need a long term manger for success anymore, even if you look at our past 4

- BMJ, got us into Europe for the first time in decades, established us as "best of rest"
- Ramos, won us a cup
- Harry, got us CL, made us entertaining, kept us as CL place contenders
- AVB, got us record PL points total, broke a few more poor records (results against bigger teams)

Maybe the question is has changing any of them significantly hurt the club, vs. the lift they gave us and vs. the risk of continuing in their particular slumps.
 
I look at the success of certain clubs and you have to ask, do you need a long term manger for success anymore, even if you look at our past 4

- BMJ, got us into Europe for the first time in decades, established us as "best of rest"
- Ramos, won us a cup
- Harry, got us CL, made us entertaining, kept us as CL place contenders
- AVB, got us record PL points total, broke a few more poor records (results against bigger teams)

Maybe the question is has changing any of them significantly hurt the club, vs. the lift they gave us and vs. the risk of continuing in their particular slumps.

It can be more damaging sticking with the same guy for too long, as seen with Francis and to some extent Jol, who should have gone as soon as the previous season ended.
 
btw, to the OP, only fair play to Levy if he has someone (good) lined up.

Any length of time with a caretaker or non permanent manager will be a disaster
 
He's had 80 games to prove himself. The football has been uninspiring throughout that period. If it hadn't been for Bale bailing him out time after time last season, he'd have gone months ago.
On stats the big question mark for me is what Harry's win percentage would have been if he had been allowed a fraction of AVB's budget during those two January windows when we were desperate for a striker.

Redknapp's net spend was higher than AVB'S. That's without letting him buy Joe "he's a good lad" Cole or Loic "up on a rape charge" Remy.
 
Redknapp's net spend was higher than AVB'S. That's without letting him buy Joe "he's a good lad" Cole or Loic "up on a rape charge" Remy.

Oh come off it, net spend is ********. AVB's 'net spend' was only low because of the massively over inflated fee of Bale who shouldn't have cost more than £50m. AVB was backed in the window more than any other Spurs manager.
 
I look at the success of certain clubs and you have to ask, do you need a long term manger for success anymore, even if you look at our past 4

- BMJ, got us into Europe for the first time in decades, established us as "best of rest"
- Ramos, won us a cup
- Harry, got us CL, made us entertaining, kept us as CL place contenders
- AVB, got us record PL points total, broke a few more poor records (results against bigger teams)

Maybe the question is has changing any of them significantly hurt the club, vs. the lift they gave us and vs. the risk of continuing in their particular slumps.

This is how I judge Levy to be honest and it's a great point.

Levy has brought is from mid-table mediocrity every season to 4th or 5th on a regular basis. Given that two clubs have won the lottery in the last ten years and Man U and Arsenal have more resources and a bulletproof recent history when it comes to CL qualification, what Levy has done is remarkable. He's done it on a budget and despite the fact we've a small stadium. For me, he's done a great job even if he does make mistakes.

1. The treatment of Jol was poor. However you viewed the decision to sack him, how it was done was disgusting.
2. IMO, the sacking of Harry was wrong (people who disagree will generally say the same about ABV).
3. Losing out on Moutinho for 500k, if true, was a mistake. But a chairman who operates the way he does will lose some of these battles. He can't win them all and you can't laud him for being a tightfisted f**ker on one hand and beat him up for it on the other.

I'm not convinced managers for the long term are a part of football anymore. None of the CL clubs really do it (United and Arsenal aside but that will change when Wenger goes). If we have a manager who gets us CL football regularly, he'll be poached long before any long term plan can be realised. We've seen that with players. It happens with managers too. If our manager doesn't get us CL football at all, he's probably failing anyway and there's no point persisting. Managers staying at clubs long term is a thing of the past. Maybe that's why Levy wants a DoF. That gives you more chance of stability and a consistent vision (notwithstanding the Arnesen situation). I'm not saying sack managers every 3-4 months but AVB had 18 months and was going backwards.

As hard as it is to stomach what's happened over the last 48 hours, and I do feel genuinely sorry for AVB, in Levy I still trust.
 
Oh come off it, net spend is ********. AVB's 'net spend' was only low because of the massively over inflated fee of Bale who shouldn't have cost more than £50m. AVB was backed in the window more than any other Spurs manager.

Yet he lost the best player we've had since Hoddle.
 
Redknapp's net spend was higher than AVB'S. That's without letting him buy Joe "he's a good lad" Cole or Loic "up on a rape charge" Remy.


Exactly.


I don't think any manager we are going to bring in is going to be allowed a large positive spend. Just doesn't seem to be within our power to grant.


We got top dollar for Bale, possibly more than he's worth, but that's partly due to AVB and how he utilised Bale last season.
 
Oh come off it, net spend is ********. AVB's 'net spend' was only low because of the massively over inflated fee of Bale who shouldn't have cost more than £50m. AVB was backed in the window more than any other Spurs manager.

I've tried making this argument before but not sure if I just missed the response...

But taking it to it's logical conclusion, we could spend 200M in one summer after replacing the entire squad which was sold for 400M. The manager would be backed, money would be spent, but it doesn't account for the fact that the better players have left.

We got 86M for Bale because he was worth 86M in terms of importance to us, therefore selling him would have that sort of impact that we would need compensating for.
 
Imagine that game with modric vdv and bale in the team?

Now imagine it without lloris cos that's what will happen when that greedy ****er sells h with vertonghen and Sandro in the summer. Club is going nowhere under Levy.
 
I am of the opinion that this club can NOT move forward under the guidance of Levy. He repeats the SAME mistakes time and time again.

Your dithering in the transfer market in the past has cost us dear...and your IDIOTIC splurge on 7 new players this year has now come back to bite you.

We are rudderless.

GO NOW
 
We won't move forward you're right.

When the top clubs in the league have either a system in place or a load of money in the bank, they'll move forward. We have neither. We'll stand still and over achieve like the club has always done.
 
Sad thing is as soon as he haggles over 500k in next window and gets his own way we'll have idiots making posters up about about how's he's 'levyed' someone or some other utter tosh. Absolute joke of a man. 18 months ago we were genuine title contenders but levy got greedy.
 
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