Wriggly
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I hope Carroll plays against Swansea, I really do.
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Carroll to start over Parker at Swansea?
- Thread starter Gutter Boy
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I hope Carroll plays against Swansea, I really do.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Hilarious. All so false but hilarious none the less.
From the man that didn't watch the match.
If Huddlestone could get back to his best, this would have been an easy solution for me. We lack someone to direct traffic to our better players. I think Hudd and Dembele could easily work. Modric and Thudd worked when no one thought it would.
spurspinter1
Paul Stalteri
:ross:
If you don't rate him then that's fine. There's been players that play for Spurs that I don't/didn't but I still wanted them to succeed.
You want young Tom to play and do badly so you can tell us all that you told us so (like you always do apparently).
It's just so flawed in pretty much every level of thinking, but somehow I just don't think you're capable of seeing it. As long as you're enjoying yourself wanting to watch academy graduates fail I guess that's all that matters eh?
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
That why Parker and Modric worked but Parker and Dembele doesnt.
Parker ceded everything to Modric, knew he was the better player and give him the ball at every opportunity.
Parker when playing along side Dembele thinks he is the better player and bombs forward stupidly trying to make things happen but never succeeding.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that he is doing it because he has been instructed to. I don't think that two managers would continue to select him and make him captain in some of those games, if he was ignoring instructions.
Yes, whoever plays in the middle two one stays and one goes, unfortunately it seems to be asking too much of Parker, at this level nothing is left to chance and I agree with you that he is playing to orders.
No, being controversial does not warrant abuse, but often your posts seem to carry such a controversial tone that you are waiting for someone to hurl abuse at you, which in my opinion is not productive to discussion.
I'm pretty sure Jenas has never even attempted one of the many forward balls that Carroll did against Fulham. He has not simply put in a 'decent few minutes'. In every game he has shown promise, and for the first time against Fulham he demonstrated that he is progressing and acclimatising to first team football.
Again, branding Holtby, a player who has had about 90 mins cumulatively, if that, 'brick' is ridiculous. He might turn out to be, but to be the star player in a German Champions' League side you have to at least be decent. As with Carroll, he has been inconsistent so far, and hasn't proved that he is ready for regular first team football.
For Carroll this is down to sheer inexperience, for Holtby it is related to adjusting to a new league with a higher standard of football and new team-mates/team dynamics.
To write off two players, aged 20 and 22 (who have less than 10 Spurs appearances between them) as 'brick' and give their futures at the club no hope is the real joke here. Who on this planet could we hope to sign that would immediately improve our team? No such player would give us a thought. We need to buy potential and mould it into class. With these players we have two hot prospects at different stages in their career.
Whether they become great players is an open question, but to write them off now is nothing other than ludicrous.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Absolutely.
It is a massive test for AVB because there is absolutely an argument for allowing Moussa to get a rest in one of the upcoming matches and playing Parker and Carroll together with Lennon, Bale and Siggy/Dempsey in the hole. But it would require Parker to pretend Carroll is Modric! Which he obviously isn't, but he's from the same village and just needs to be trusted so as he can perhaps deliver at least some level of performance which gets close to Luka.
milo
Jack L. Jones
The Modric Parker partnership was more than just Parker being the destroyer and Modric being the play maker though. Modric made a hell of a lot of interceptions and his positioning was excellent, something that I think is beyond Carroll at the moment (promising talent though he is).
I don't think Carroll can even be compared to Joe Allen right now, much less Modric. Modric was also very, very good in tight spaces and could carry the ball past a player or two, to say nothing of his range. Modric was also surprisingly strong for his size - no doubt helped by his footballing upbringing in Bosnia - whereas Carroll is still pretty insubstantial.
*However* Carroll does offer something different from our other players. For me he is substantially more interesting than Livermore or Huddlestone atm. It is no slight on a 20-year-old who has barely played two games that he can't compare to two Real Madrid-class players we lost this summer.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I agree and I rate Carroll too. I'd prefer us to go back to playing Dembele and Parker a.s.a.p. It is not as strong a partnership as Sandro Dembele but it is the best that we have available and being strong as possible in the central positions would always be a priority for me.
spurspinter1
Paul Stalteri
This. Actually used the add reputation button and everything.
To add to my post a bit above which was essentially directed at Wriggly, there seems to be a severe difference in mindset.
It seems like to want Carroll to fail so you can say you told us so.
Whereas I want Carroll to do well so he can start to realise the potential I think he has, start to become a useful member of the squad, further improve the reputation of our youth system by having another academy graduate to represent us and to have a positive effect on our results (as he did against West Ham).
Weirdly enough, saying I told you so or shoving it in your face if he does well isn't in that list of reasons, I couldn't really give a brick about that, it means very little to me in the grand scheme of things.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
You raise an excellent point in so much as Sandro was INCREDIBLE with his positioning and this is precisely what isn't part of Parker's game at all (Scotty brings other virtues for sure but frankly they're not very helpful for us right now)...it's a fair point re: Carroll...PERSONALLY I am torn between wanting the gamble and wanting AVB to go back to what's been working, with the 4-4-1-1...common sense says that 'perhaps' we need to adopt the safety of doing what we did before...who'd be a manager eh?!
milo
Jack L. Jones
Parker had his best game in a year in the first leg against Inter Milan. Parker has his limitations, he's very one footed for a start, but he is still the best option alongside Dembele. We have played the whole season without a ballplayer in central midfield, it has not suddenly become a problem in the last three games.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
I'm not particularly sure it is a problem. You improve our strikers to a more consistent level, improve a bit of depth around the squad and we could be challenging for the title. We create chances as it is and the 'lack of a ball player' in midfield sounds bad, but with Dembele and Sandro/Parker we get a solidity that other teams playing two in the centre just don't have.
I think the ball player will only be an issue if we decide to go to a three man midfield, which people say is AVB's preferred formation.
ringo
Tim Sherwood
I'm not sure which is best in a middle two - attacking and defensive specialists one in front of the other or central midfielders who can both attack and defend side by side. (I think I actually prefer a three man rotating midfield with one of them more defensively minded.)
Given available players, I would play Carroll and Dembele side by side if we want two in the middle. Carroll is more mobile than Parker, better at moving the ball forward. And, while he may not be as gritty as Parker defensively, he still defends well through his positioning. And after watching him smack two shots in from 30 plus yards during the warm up, and skip past players after coming on, I think he would add to our goal threat - which we could do with.
Given available players, I would play Carroll and Dembele side by side if we want two in the middle. Carroll is more mobile than Parker, better at moving the ball forward. And, while he may not be as gritty as Parker defensively, he still defends well through his positioning. And after watching him smack two shots in from 30 plus yards during the warm up, and skip past players after coming on, I think he would add to our goal threat - which we could do with.
