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UKIP/Tory Pact

Gordinho

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I know it's only Wiggy Fabricant mooting an idea at the moment but the thought crossed my mind today that if UKIP and the Tories formed an electoral pact would it push those who were willing to vote UKIP but couldn't countenance voting Tory while Cameron's leader into voting for another right of centre party other than UKIP?

I think the BNP could gain out of any proposed pact? Any thoughts?
 
Personally, having just received my UKIP membership card, I honestly doubt that a further swing to the right would happen.

Of all the UKIPers I've met, both face to face and virtually, I've yet to find a single one who has extreme right-wing views (although i suspect they do exist).

The vast majority are old style Tories, and ex-Labour voters with a sensible head, so I suspect most would accept a pact IF it were to contain the promises we seek.

However, such is the depth of feeling at this time against the established parties leadership, I honestly see no way any such pact would come about.
 
Alot of Tory voters are shifting over to UKIP, myself included, over this EU row... Tories not giving the public the referendum they petitioned for could be damaging. I also think Nigel Farage talks alot of sense on the EU issue and certainly voices my views on it. Not only that but with this Tory party leaning further left than past Tory parties it leaves the voters with the choice of Left, Left or left of center. UKIP are emerging as the popular right of center party now imo
 
I just wish the press would pay more attention to UKIPs other policies, rather than the anti-Euro stance.

There is so much good stuff.

Mind you, this Rotherham foster care debacle is giving wonderful publicity.
 
Crawley said:
I just wish the press would pay more attention to UKIPs other policies, rather than the anti-Euro stance.

There is so much good stuff.

Mind you, this Rotherham foster care debacle is giving wonderful publicity.
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To be fair to the press, whenever I see Farage he only seems to ever speak about Europe. Even when talking on other topics, he will always bring it around to an EU Referendum.

Personally I don't see the point in an in out referendum. I can tell you the result right now. Out. By a huge margin. The problem is as Deborah Meaden said on question time the other day is that peoples opinions are largely clouded by things like the European Court on Human Rights and ignore the huge benefits we get from Europe.

I'm very much on the fence with Europe. In theory I'd happily vote UKIP but I don't really like Farage tbh. I'm very much against the Common Agricultural Policy of the EU which is tipping me towards the anti-EU camp, but still don't know.

Call me a fool but I do think Cameron is genuine when he says he will look to changing our relationship with the EU when the Eurozone countries become more integrated in the coming years. The question I have is whether he will be able to get a good deal, and I do have some doubts about that.
 
I'd like to see a party like UKIP come out publicly for safe standing at football grounds, that'd help swing my vote their way.
 
I sometimes find myself agreeing with Farage, but could never bring myself to support a party who put thunder****s like Winston McKenzie into high ranking positions.
 
Every time I hear Farage speak I feel a wave of pro-EU sentiment. It soon passes, but Farage just makes me cringe.
 
Richie said:
To be fair to the press, whenever I see Farage he only seems to ever speak about Europe. Even when talking on other topics, he will always bring it around to an EU Referendum.

Personally I don't see the point in an in out referendum. I can tell you the result right now. Out. By a huge margin. The problem is as Deborah Meaden said on question time the other day is that peoples opinions are largely clouded by things like the European Court on Human Rights and ignore the huge benefits we get from Europe.

I'm very much on the fence with Europe. In theory I'd happily vote UKIP but I don't really like Farage tbh. I'm very much against the Common Agricultural Policy of the EU which is tipping me towards the anti-EU camp, but still don't know.

Call me a fool but I do think Cameron is genuine when he says he will look to changing our relationship with the EU when the Eurozone countries become more integrated in the coming years. The question I have is whether he will be able to get a good deal, and I do have some doubts about that.
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But then why cant we have just a trade agreement? Im pretty sure there are European countries that are not in the EU but have a trade set up... Surely we dont have to buy into the whole baling everyone out and housing all their migrants and caving into their ridiculous Human Rights act just to get the benefit of trade do we??
 
Are we bailing everyone out?
Are we housing all their migrants?
What has the European Court on Human Rights got to do with the EU?
 
jts1882 said:
Are we bailing everyone out?
Are we housing all their migrants?
What has the European Court on Human Rights got to do with the EU?
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Are you serious?

To answer your questions.......

1/ We are certainly being forced to help, to the detriment of our own economy
2/ Not all. Just more than all the other EU countries put together
3/ You mean the ECHR that has been forced upon us and makes all our judgement calls on law that we managed to deal with ourselves for.....well, quite a few years.
 
Crawley said:
Are you serious?

3/ You mean the ECHR that has been forced upon us and makes all our judgement calls on law that we managed to deal with ourselves for.....well, quite a few years.
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Yes, serious.

When did Britain sign up to the European Convention on Human Rights?
Who was the first signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights?
When did the UK accept the jurisdiction the European Court on Human Rights?

When did Britain join the European Economic Community?
 
jts1882 said:
Yes, serious.

When did Britain sign up to the European Convention on Human Rights?
Who was the first signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights?
When did the UK accept the jurisdiction the European Court on Human Rights?

When did Britain join the European Economic Community?
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Ah, THAT ECHR.........:)

Don't get the relevance of your last question though?
 
jts1882 said:
Yes, serious.

When did Britain sign up to the European Convention on Human Rights?
Who was the first signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights?
When did the UK accept the jurisdiction the European Court on Human Rights?

When did Britain join the European Economic Community?
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When did Britain sign up to the European Convention on Human Rights? 1950
Who was the first signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights? Netherlands. They beat us to it by 30 seconds
When did the UK accept the jurisdiction the European Court on Human Rights? Go on................enlighten me!!!!
 
Crawley said:
Ah, THAT ECHR.........:)

Don't get the relevance of your last question though?
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What Court are you thinking about?

The relevance is you said "the ECHR that has been forced upon us" and I assume you meant by the EEC/EU. We signed up to the court before we joined the EEC/EU so nothing forced it upon us. Blair's government brought convention into British law in 1998 so now its our courts deciding. Even if we left the EU, the convention would apply due to treaty and acts of parliament.

Edit: 1966 for the third question.
 
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jts1882 said:
What Court are you thinking about?

The relevance is you said "the ECHR that has been forced upon us" and I assume you meant by the EEC/EU. We signed up to the court before we joined the EEC/EU so nothing forced it upon us. Blair's government brought convention into British law in 1998 so now its our courts deciding. Even if we left the EU, the convention would apply due to treaty and acts of parliament.

Edit: 1966 for the third question.
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Yes, the first bit was my bad. This is what happens when you work 12 hour night shifts at my age.

I'm allowing my anger at European courts dictating OUR laws (votes for prisoners etc) to take over.
Have to admit I was quite surprised at how early we signed up to the ECHR though.
 
There was an interesting comment on the European Court, which is that it is moving from ruling on the law to making the law as the Supreme Court did in the US in the 60s.

The European Court is making decisions unilaterally without having to go through the proper legislative chambers of elected officials.

Just as the welfare state is a bloated, out of control version of what was originally proposed in the early post-war years, so is the Court on Human Rights.
 
Paul Nuttali think it is? Scouse bloke from ukip on question time about a month ago came across very well just said it how he saw it and didn't get involved in any slinging matches.
 
edgey-the-yid said:
But then why cant we have just a trade agreement? Im pretty sure there are European countries that are not in the EU but have a trade set up... Surely we dont have to buy into the whole baling everyone out and housing all their migrants and caving into their ridiculous Human Rights act just to get the benefit of trade do we??
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The argument is that in the end if we want to trade with Europe our businesses will have to comply with all their laws anyway so we might as well be in the legislative process.

As for bailing countries out, that is actually nothing to do with us and not costing us anything. That is a strictly Eurozone issue, our taxes aren't going to Greece or Spain.

Ignore bail outs or immigration, it should be the CAP people are furious at. Half of the EUs budget goes towards subsidising farmers. It's a joke.
 
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