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Gareth Bale

Re: Bale's Dive Today

monkeybarry said:
i think it is quite clear that Bale was trying to not bet battered - a natural reflex action when someone is coming full steam ahead at you.

but HE DID appeal for a free kick afterwards - he knows whether he got caught or not, and quite clearly he didn't.

ergo, he attempted to get a free kick having fallen to the floor after no touch from an opposition player - that's cheating, and not acceptable
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Did he? I thought there was no appeal, but I've only seen MOTD, so that bit may have been missed off.
 
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As much as diving infuriates me and as much as I enjoy making fun of players like Suarez...

There is a competitive edge to be gained with a bit of diving here and there. Or rather, if other teams dive and we do not we are losing an edge that they are gaining. A bit more diving last season could have been enough to see us get 3rd, get ahead of Arsenal and be in the CL instead of EL right now.

For the players and manager there's obviously both a financial and sporting incentive to get the results that are asked from them. I really wish UEFA and FIFA took some serious action against diving, doesn't seem all that difficult to be honest and it would level the playing field a bit, remove the edge from those that don't. Until they do I have mixed feelings about Spurs players diving to be completely honest. I hate seeing it, leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, but I also hate it when Spurs lose and I hate it if we give away an edge that could see us take a step up as a club going forward.

Would you guys rather see a Spurs team that never dives and finishes 5th, or one that puts in the occasional dive and gets into the CL this season?
 
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The natural reaction to an impending collision is to jump out of the way, not throw yourself to the ground with arched back and spead-eagled limbs.
 
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To be fair to Suarez, the defender did catch his right leg/foo earlier in the sequence. But by the time Suarez decided to throw himself to the ground it was pretty shameful and blatant.

Bale needs to cut it out.

Kyle Walker is another one i notice that seems to go down a bit too easily. Can't think of any others in the current squad
 
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jts1882 said:
The natural reaction to an impending collision is to jump out of the way, not throw yourself to the ground with arched back and spead-eagled limbs.
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he could try jumping upwards, but then there is always the risk of landing awkwardly on his feet which could be a risk in itself

i think the arched back superman style dive is best/safest
 
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jts1882 said:
The natural reaction to an impending collision is to jump out of the way, not throw yourself to the ground with arched back and spead-eagled limbs.
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What do you think Bale could have done differently? Bare in mind, he was sprinting full speed to reach the ball 1st and let's say for arguments sake that he was trying to avoid getting clattered by the keeper, what could he have done different?
 
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Gazza Dazzla said:
What do you think Bale could have done differently? Bare in mind, he was sprinting full speed to reach the ball 1st and let's say for arguments sake that he was trying to avoid getting clattered by the keeper, what could he have done different?
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If you're trying to avoid getting injured - you jump. You don't let your legs fall from beneath you.
 
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Bale's been targeted in the past and received some awful injuries as a result. Players (like Charlie Adam?) need to be punished far more heavily with extended playing bans when they make up for their lack of skill and pace with violent tackles.

HOWEVER. That's absolutely no excuse for cheating. And that's what diving is... it's cheating. It's attempting to gain a free kick / penalty where one should not be given - i.e. it's an attempt to break the rules of the game. And it simply should not be tolerated. There's no excuse for violent tackles. But there's also no excuse for cheating.

Bale is obviously one of our best players (some would say he's our best). And I would hate to see him leave Spurs. But I hate watching cheaters even more. If he doesn't sort this out (yesterday is not the first time he's done it) then we should sell him rather than become known as a team that encourages cheats. I'm not saying that's the preferred option (the preferred option is we keep him and he stops fricking diving) but it's better than dishonouring the Spurs shirt.

People say diving is just part of the modern game and we should just learn to live with it. But that's flimflam. No sport should "learn to live" with cheats. They should be prevented from cheating somehow. Or they should be banned. Here in Ireland, Gaelic Football is the national sport. It's much more of a contact sport than football (soccer) but less than rugby. A couple of years ago I was at a match where one player clearly dived and was rolling around as if he was in pain, despite it clearly being simulation. To a person, *everyone* in the crowd started to boo him - his own fans and the opposition. And it went on for most of the rest of the match. It's that kind of response that makes diving almost unheard of in Gaelic Football. And it's the kind of response that needs to start in football matches. I don't believe in booing players / teams for losing or playing badly. I don't feel it's justified and I don't feel it's helpful. Cheaters on the other hand... they need to be singled out and reminded that their actions are not acceptable.

It'll never happen of course, because - unlike Gaelic Football fans - so many football fans appear resigned to "just live with it" when it comes to diving; but the fact is, both Suarez and Bale should have been booed by everyone in the crowd for several minutes after their dives. It would put an end to the nonsense pretty sharpish.
 
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to jump would mean he'd have to plant his left leg after touching the ball, that was the very thing he would have been trying to avoid. If his legs planted and he gets hit, then serious injury, if its in the air and it gets hit then not so much damage will be done.

He could have nicked the ball with his left leg and then simultaneously jumped off from his right foot, but you try doing that, it would take some coordination and mean he'd end up doing an even more dramatic "dive".

Anyway, someone said he claimed for the free kick afterwards, if he did do that then I've no respect for him, that = cheating, not just avoiding contact.
 
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Gareth Bale: Put in 18 inaccurate crosses against Aston Villa - more in a single game than any other player in the top 5 leagues this season
 
Re: Bale's Dive Today

SUIYHA said:
I really don't see why there's no retrospective action that can be taken against cheats. Balotelli got a four game retrospective ban for stamping on Parker, why shouldn't divers get something similar?

Bale should be one of my all time favourite players. He's extremely talented, determined, comes across as humble and hard working in interviews, and appears to have a genuine affinity for the fans and the club (I know he could still leave as soon as a bigger club comes calling like any other mercenary footballer). But the thing that drags him down is this cheating. I used to have a mini-heart attack every time I saw an opposition player challenge Bale and him writhing around in agony on the floor, but he does it literally in every single game now and I know he's faking it, or at least making it seem worse than it actually is. But dives like today are fudging disgraceful. Embarassing. He is one of the very worst in the Premier League for doing it and it's horrible. It'll never happen, as Bale is the club's golden boy, but if I were AVB I would fine Bale a week's wages for it and make him publicly apologise for it.

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It's not a one off. It's not "avoiding injury". It's cheating, plain and simple, and I can't stand Tottenham players doing it. The only saving grace is that none of the above dives directly won us any games. I hardly celebrated Adebayor's penalty against Arsenal because I didn't want to win the game like that. I remember when we beat Portsmouth a few years ago after Zokora's blatant dive and I just couldn't enjoy the victory. As long as players think there's no consequences for diving then they'll keep doing it, well it's time clubs, the FA and FIFA actually started making a real effort to crack down on it.
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This selection of videos is nice, because it clearly shows different kinds of incidents.

The ones against Liverpool and Madrid are clearly dives, and I can't fathom how anyone can try and argue otherwise. He doesn't move his legs out of the way to try and avoid injury, he actually leaves his legs in and falls over.

For yesterday's one and Fellaini's one, IMO it's more possible that he was trying to avoid injury, because in both cases the opposition looks like they're going to kick him until the last split-second, and in both cases he actually moves his legs out of the way.

I can't fully express how much I hate diving / playacting etc, and I like players who are physical and brave. But I can understand if Bale genuinely tries to avoid injury sometimes. The trouble is I have seen him dive quite a few times, which makes it harder to give him the benefit of the doubt in cases like yesterday.
 
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Bullet said:
Bale is a diver but this case wasn't nearly as bad as a Suarez special:

FACT1: In real time it looked to everyone viewing the incident like Guzan was going to smash the ball and/or Bale into Row F.

FACT2: Guzan pulled his left foot back to whack the ball, but didn't follow through with the kick, which was very nice of him. You can't really see this well from the gif posted earlier.

FACT3: Bale reached the ball with his left foot but didn't put his left foot on the floor because if he had planted his foot and Guzan had kicked it, his shin bone would have hit AVB in the quiff. You try running at that speed without your feet on the floor - it doesn't work.

FACT4: Bale did not writhe in agony, nor did he leap up and demand a card.

FACT5: Bale could have got up quicker and laughed and made sure the ref was not going to book Guzan.

FACT6: Bale has dived in previous games to try to win penalties and freekicks.
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Very good summing up of that incident yesterday.

A couple years back I fudged up both my ankles in an accident. Broke them both. Was off my feet for like 6 months. If anyone comes anywhere near me, even my 8 year old Nephew with a football I react like a sissy, I'm funny about walking on dirt tracks as its not level. Thats the scaring I take from the incident. Its all about not wanting to go back to those dark days. I totally understand Bale's avoidance tactics, which don't look pretty, what I would say though is he needs to be remorseful in the event afterwards. He needs to get up say no foul, otherwise he is looking to gain from it, which is deceit, thus cheating.

Like me I think he needs to talk to someone about getting over it. But when you go through trauma, its hard to shake.

Saying the above, he has dived in the past.. Liverpool and Madrid the obvious one, which helps cloud the above.
 
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Can't really be arsed to trawl through the 6 pages, but my 2 cents is that it's indefensible, disgusting behaviour that embarrasses the club and it's ridiculous that there isn't the option to punish him for it.

It's just a massive lack of respect to his opposing players which will come back to haunt him if he doesn't cut that brick out. He's good enough to not have to dive, and I really hope AVB will have told him this.
 
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Top players dont dive Bale. Cut it out...

[video=youtube;xSLxa3MYMcw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLxa3MYMcw[/video]
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diego_maradona said:
Top players dont dive Bale. Cut it out...

[video=youtube;xSLxa3MYMcw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLxa3MYMcw[/video]
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:ross:
about 8 seconds into the video, the ref brushes past a player and he goes down like he's been shot in the leg!
 
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