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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

MartyFunkhouser said:
Yeo, most normal people manage to navigate life saying what they want, you have to wonder what exactly it is people are desperate to say that they feel they cant
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I think it is a case of context and circumstance.

I would suggest that in some countries (including a couple of more recent 'surprise' ones) the potential consequences of saying what you wish on social media can have enormously detrimental effects.

I think also social media -due to the very nature of it's non-face-to-face in-person action- leaves some people less able to articulate themselves and thus potentially ending up in situations where a mixture of assumption and conflation leave them being perceived and interpreted far, far beyond their initial attempted expression. In fact, I think it is this very area which has seen agitators, bots and malevolent schemers slip in and blow up communities and people against each other.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I've asked people a few times who claimed they can't say things on here, what it is they are scared to say and never had an answer.
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I think it's about expression versus interpretation. I really believe that. We are firmly in an era where the nuances of language are on life-support (thanks to the twittwer explosion a decade ago where everyone suddenly wanted their info in 144 characters or less)...

...I think the immigration conversation is one of them. I do believe there are people who cannot properly articulate their thoughts on immigration and so end up either coming across poorly or not even feeling comfortable enough to have a discussion. We can say that is on them I suppose, but I think it'sn actually on all of us to try and make the middle ground of conversation 'safer' and hopefully a place where people are then happy to accept 'new information' or outlooks without feeling they're being accused of this or that (this goes for all sides of the discussion BTW)...

I've also found that truthfully, age is the greatest teacher. Genuinely there are things I thought I knew a decade ago which I now realize I had no clue about.
Youth is all about the hubris of charging forward with vigour and confidence that you 'know'.
Age appears to be about the humility and wisdom to recognise that you didn't know nearly as much but if you wake up NOW the benefits of greater knowledge are sitting there for you to enjoy (and that usually requires both humility and acceptance of how little we really DO know)...sigh...OK, off my existential (organic hahaha) soap box I step...
 
thfcsteff said:
I think it's about expression versus interpretation. I really believe that. We are firmly in an era where the nuances of language are on life-support (thanks to the twittwer explosion a decade ago where everyone suddenly wanted their info in 144 characters or less)...

...I think the immigration conversation is one of them. I do believe there are people who cannot properly articulate their thoughts on immigration and so end up either coming across poorly or not even feeling comfortable enough to have a discussion. We can say that is on them I suppose, but I think it'sn actually on all of us to try and make the middle ground of conversation 'safer' and hopefully a place where people are then happy to accept 'new information' or outlooks without feeling they're being accused of this or that (this goes for all sides of the discussion BTW)...

I've also found that truthfully, age is the greatest teacher. Genuinely there are things I thought I knew a decade ago which I now realize I had no clue about.
Youth is all about the hubris of charging forward with vigour and confidence that you 'know'.
Age appears to be about the humility and wisdom to recognise that you didn't know nearly as much but if you wake up NOW the benefits of greater knowledge are sitting there for you to enjoy (and that usually requires both humility and acceptance of how little we really DO know)...sigh...OK, off my existential (organic hahaha) soap box I step...
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www.theguardian.com

Do we really become more conservative with age? | James Tilley

The accepted wisdom is that the young are more radical than the old. But is this true, and if it is, why should our politics change with the years?
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
robp135 said:
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www.theguardian.com

Do we really become more conservative with age? | James Tilley

The accepted wisdom is that the young are more radical than the old. But is this true, and if it is, why should our politics change with the years?
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Not sure what your reply means?

My comments on age and knowledge were not necessarily political at all. Just life in general. Ego also plays an enormous part in this equation, in fact I'd argue that degrees of ego are central to most arguments.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I don't agree with the bus fare cap. All it is doing is using tax revenue to pay First and Stagecoach profits. We need to be taking buses back into public ownership and running them at cost price instead
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In the meantime though? It's a good thing.

Bigger thinking would be...to nationalise the bus service in conjunction with the launched UK iniative of GB energy to provide 100% green energy at cost, and also fill the order books for UK businesses like Wrightbus and Alexander Dennis to build the electric buses...in doing so giving them financial security to advance R&D into refining and building better products that you then can potentially sell abroad..(as a market leader).

Tech will eventually run these things...and included with cheap energy...the overall end cost to users, will plummet if done outside of corporate organisations. After all..It falls into the essential service envelope.
 
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