Finney Is Back
Jimmy Cantrell
Gross or Frank?
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Thomas Frank - Former Head Coach
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Finney Is Back
Jimmy Cantrell
Yeah - Gross's record saw him have more than the pathetic 1.1 points per PL game that Frank got. Crazy to consider that really.... Gross did better in the PL than Thomas Frank did.
1.1 is indeed a poor ppg over that sort of time frame and certainly grounds for sacking for any manager
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
John Lacy
Honestly I don’t want him to be hated, but I do just find it odd how, compared to a heck of a lot of other managers who have not performed anywhere near as badly, he gets off EXTREMELY lightly. And again, I don’t need fans to hate the guy personally, but I would like to see a more honest accounting of his time with us in the media. We nearly got relegated and he played a huge part in that, and frankly De Zerbi embarrassed him with what he was able to achieve in terms of style of play in pretty much two games.
I just find the collective glossing over, while many other figures are laughing stocks, to be very odd.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
John Lacy
This - and there's no one interested in defending him or taking exception to the criticism so the topic has no legs for discussion. What else is going to happen other than it being consigned to history?
I personally just find the lack of emotion he stirs in people when he is one of the biggest reasons we almost got relegated to be a little odd, that’s all. ‘He very nearly caused the biggest sporting embarrassment in history. It didn’t work. We move on’. Just doesn’t feel like the right sentiment to me. Way more successful managers have inspired way more hate.
If Frank finished 12th, I’d understand ‘it just didn’t work, move on.’ To very nearly relegate us?? I almost don’t think it’s understood just how incredibly awful that is.
MartyFunkhouser
Garth Crooks
Honestly mate, people have just moved on
Problem with that stat is that most of his points came at the start, he was picking up next to no points for some time and was only taking us down.....
Yeah i agree with that. Even if it was more evenly spread over his time that sort of return is unacceptable and when form/results suffer a dramatic decline you can't focus on a good spell at the beginning.
ricky2tricky4city
Jimmy Cantrell
Meanwhile...the Brain is up all night
ricky2tricky4city
Jimmy Cantrell
Maybe people are still in the Lifeboat moment.....
We have to move on from Ange first before we can move on from Frank!
MartyFunkhouser
Garth Crooks
I would take moving on from Poch TBH. The Frank saga is now being played out on multiple threads now...........
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Luka Modric
I think "developed great players" is an over statement.
glorygloryeze
Nayim
We just have to put the hire of Frank as a symptom of how ENIC have downgraded our appeal as a football entity to players/managers now.
In hindsight, we sacked a manager who had massive issues with dealing with the PL levels (our ppg progressively were nosediving every month/quarter) but who also won a trophy for a guy who had never even managed in a European competition, let alone previously won a trophy.
So then, we have to throw big cash at getting RDZ.
I honestly think things won't change overall until we have new owners.
We have had the best striker ever at Spurs under their ownership (one who fell into their laps, who they DID NOT HAVE TO INVEST A SINGLE PENNY TO GET) and still they did't know/care to use that advantage to truly elevate the club.We are now back to the kind of mediocre levels we were when they first bought us and almost act the same way, giving excuses for our poor performance (remember back then it was "we can't compete because we don't have regular European participation" etc)
Frank might struggle to get a big-ish job after his stint here, but like others before him, he can still spin it as "well it was Spurs and you know what they're like"...
Sigh.
In hindsight, we sacked a manager who had massive issues with dealing with the PL levels (our ppg progressively were nosediving every month/quarter) but who also won a trophy for a guy who had never even managed in a European competition, let alone previously won a trophy.
So then, we have to throw big cash at getting RDZ.
I honestly think things won't change overall until we have new owners.
We have had the best striker ever at Spurs under their ownership (one who fell into their laps, who they DID NOT HAVE TO INVEST A SINGLE PENNY TO GET) and still they did't know/care to use that advantage to truly elevate the club.We are now back to the kind of mediocre levels we were when they first bought us and almost act the same way, giving excuses for our poor performance (remember back then it was "we can't compete because we don't have regular European participation" etc)
Frank might struggle to get a big-ish job after his stint here, but like others before him, he can still spin it as "well it was Spurs and you know what they're like"...
Sigh.
Mikey10
Paul Walsh
The quickest of Google searches throws up the following pieces, all highly damning of Frank’s time with us.
I’m not sure he has got off lightly in the media.
www.bbc.co.uk
www.nytimes.com
I’m not sure he has got off lightly in the media.
Thomas Frank sacking: Tottenham appointment a gamble that ended in failure
Thomas Frank's sacking came as no surprise on Wednesday. His appointment by Tottenham was a gamble that ended in a storm of toxicity, writes Phil McNulty.
www.bbc.co.uk
Thomas Frank was meant to bring stability to Spurs, but ended up unpopular with fans and players
There have been some unpopular managers at Spurs in recent years. But even at the worst moments, predecessors were not as scorned as Frank
www.nytimes.com
Lemonade Money
Colin Calderwood
I'd take Tudor, DeZerbi, and one point less all day. His football was excruciating.
100% mate, he infuriated me to the point I stepped off this board, social media and barely could watch Spurs. It was so obvious he need to be gone in November for the latest.
My biggest frustration is the painting of him as "a good coach" who just didn't fit. It was way more than that, his absolute failure to even understand the club he was managing, his failure to give the players basic passing options (triangles), his Porro spam cross directions, how he fudged up Bentancur/Palhinha as a pivot, his failure to improve any of Gray/Bergvall/Udogie/Tel. Said it elsewhere, the only fudging thing that improved in his tenure was set pieces, the thing we had another coach for.
Again, personal experience, I've interviewed people who came from good companies, good projects, passes first glance on CV. When you start to ask "what did you do", "how did you influence strategy", "what impact did you make", you realize they were a passenger, did the part they were told to, but not leaders, not top tier talent, that's how I see Frank.
And like you, I don't think people have fulled grasped what releagtion would have meant for the club's future, at best it would have set us back 5 years or more, the worst-case scenario is levels beyond