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Bedfordspurs said:
Aston Villa have also got lucky this year in that the league is so bad they could limp after a great start
They also relied so heavily on rogers wonder goals which wasn’t sustainable
That doesn’t happen most seasons but you can still only beat what is in front of you
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Weren't Villa completely brick at the start of the season?
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
Weren't Villa completely brick at the start of the season?
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Yep
Couldn’t score a goal for first 4 games and they were saying emery should go
Then rogers had the best 3 months of his career and they were on a title charge (won 12 on the spin IIRC).

Until midway. I believe since Jan they have only taken 13 points but I haven’t checked that

Injuries, caught up with a think squad. We know what that feels like. But they did manage to keep a semblance of their core fit for most of the season
 
Bedfordspurs said:
They had a great first half of the season then faded (last season)
Like this season
They don’t have the depth and are limited by PSR
I’ve literally said before in the Europa thread fair play to them, I know some lads who are villa and went and had a great time
But even their fans know winning that cup took a toll on them but they only lost 3 or 4 players, not the volume we did. And that’s with their great start is why. They were being talked about as title contenders even at the end of Jan
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They’ve overextended themselves when it comes to PSR and their squad isn’t quite ready to sustain a title challenge for an entire season. That said, they’ve got a very good manager and have built a good side that has been consistent in the league for 3 seasons in a row, now they also have a trophy to show for their progress. They’ve been knocking on the door in other cup competitions as well so they’re heading in the right direction at least on the pitch.
 
I think now it should be clear that this ownership have zero clue when it comes to aiming to achieve things on the football pitch.

It was only 4 years ago we pipped Arsenal to top 4...four years. We have now gone back to the late 90s/early 00s when these guys took over.
Arsenal's owners seem to want to make money through winning whilst ours want to make money from competing.

I think we should lower all our expectations football-wise for our club whilst these owners are still here. what a lot of guff that chairman's latter was as well
 
Think Jordan is spot on again (he talks after Petit):

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Jurgen the German said:
They’ve overextended themselves when it comes to PSR and their squad isn’t quite ready to sustain a title challenge for an entire season. That said, they’ve got a very good manager and have built a good side that has been consistent in the league for 3 seasons in a row, now they also have a trophy to show for their progress. They’ve been knocking on the door in other cup competitions as well so they’re heading in the right direction at least on the pitch.
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He is a great manager, one of the best imo
 
Raziel said:
No, and that's been proven to be potentially one of the worst decisions ever made by anyone in the club's history.

The first step should have been ensuring you had an adequate replacement structure in place. Honestly ENIC behaved like some people on this board, "just change everything", no strategy, no plan, just fudging hope, somehow, magically, it will get better and it almost destroyed the club (not hyperbole, dropping into championship would have been a disaster that we might never have really recovered from).

And if we don't already have brick locked up re Paratici's replacement, re how to either replace Vinai and Lange or minimize limit their decision scope moving forward, we have already fudged up again.

And there still is the real question, who runs this club? I don't see Vinai taking that role, so is it Charrington? is it one of the family? You can highlight Levy fudge ups as much as you want, but you knew who made most decisions and who would take the flack for it. Why the fudge did Vinai not do the end of season letter? it comes across as cowardice and someone who is unable/unwilling to take control.

In some big corporate roles, you have responsibility without specifically stated authority, it's one of the toughest things to deal with as an executive, but it's also a measure of you. Sometimes you need to, you are expected to, take that authority without anyone "blessing" it. Vinai has failed miserably at stepping in, taking authority, making decisions, even the end of season letter is something he should have said "let me take it, I was part of the problem, I have to own some of this"
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It's funny reading the staunch 'Levy Out' lot apologising for these muppets, and saying they need more time. Imagine if Levy had been in charge for the season we've just had.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Aston Villa have also got lucky this year in that the league is so bad they could limp after a great start
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What defines a 'bad' league vs a 'good' league? Apart from opinion, how is it objectively measured with any clarity?
I've heard, for example, that top to bottom this season was a stronger PL than last season.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
The fact that all the noise coming out suggests that we have been interviewing for a proper DoF and that Lange at best is going to he joint with this new hire or demoted, is a positive for me. I think Lange being in such a senior position was a consequence of unexpectedly losing Paratici, which was a consequence of unexpectedly firing Levy.
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Why do you think Paratici leaving was linked to Levy going? As far as I understand Paratici had said he wanted to return to Italy before Levy was ousted.
 
Kane said:
What defines a 'bad' league vs a 'good' league? Apart from opinion, how is it objectively measured with any clarity?
I've heard, for example, that top to bottom this season was a stronger PL than last season.
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Chelsea, Liverpool (24 less points than last season), Spurs, of the traditional top 6 all brick the bed

United and City had half a good season, Arsenal's 85 points is 3rd lowest required to win league in 15+ years.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Why do you think Paratici leaving was linked to Levy going? As far as I understand Paratici had said he wanted to return to Italy before Levy was ousted.
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Levy is who supported him in his time in the wilderness (at cost of brick PR for Spurs), he had multiple opportunities to go back to Italy before deciding to re-sign with us, then Levy leaves, then he bails, it's a bit of 1 + 1 =
 
Kane said:
What defines a 'bad' league vs a 'good' league? Apart from opinion, how is it objectively measured with any clarity?
I've heard, for example, that top to bottom this season was a stronger PL than last season.
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A bad league is for me a few things
Attacking data
And the eye test
The overall points won too would probably be a metric
The gap top to bottom is closer so it’s more competitive
But the increase in goals scored from set plays makes it more like a rugby league rather than a football league
We have been horrendous yet gained more points than last season
Teams not winning for LONG periods and it materially having no impact on league position
Bournemouth didn’t win for 11 games until they beat us
Villa had the vast vast majority of their points by end of Jan
These two are success stories which shows how poor it’s been
The reason people like it is it’s new kids at the top
 
DubaiSpur said:
And this paragraph sums it all up - it really is an excellent read.

"Tottenham’s collapse has been a tale of the players who left and were never replaced and of the directors too complacent to notice. They are an example of how corrosive a culture of apathy can be and how far it can spread, from the executive suites at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to the training pitches at Hotspur Way. In a game so weighted towards the elite, they are a warning of how fast one of the wealthiest clubs in the world can unravel when it believes expertise is expendable and status locked in."
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A fish rots from the head….
 
Bedfordspurs said:
A bad league is for me a few things
Attacking data
And the eye test
The overall points won too would probably be a metric
The gap top to bottom is closer so it’s more competitive
But the increase in goals scored from set plays makes it more like a rugby league rather than a football league
We have been horrendous yet gained more points than last season
Teams not winning for LONG periods and it materially having no impact on league position
Bournemouth didn’t win for 11 games until they beat us
Villa had the vast vast majority of their points by end of Jan
These two are success stories which shows how poor it’s been
The reason people like it is it’s new kids at the top
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We were horrendous last season also so the points being similar makes sense. We actually did better this year!
 
Finney Is Back said:
Why do you think Paratici leaving was linked to Levy going? As far as I understand Paratici had said he wanted to return to Italy before Levy was ousted.
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I don’t know for sure, but it all seems quite strange to me to agree to a new role, announce it publicly, all after having stayed connected with the club through the ban, and then pack up and leave a few months later.

In piecing together the stories that came out, it sounds like Paratici wanted Frank gone a lot more quickly. He probably felt that he wasn’t being listened to / didn’t have the influence he had when Levy was in charge, and so decided to bail.
 
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