What Has Been The Worst Reffing/VAR Decision This Season?

[Glenda's Legs]

arteta got laughed at when they sent a "dossier" to PMGOL a while back, they have been getting away with everything since, it works

In his book Poch mentioned doing something similar. From memory it was at the start of a season and they sent PGMOL a compilation of all the decisions that had gone against us the previous season. Not sure whether it had any effect though.

 

[Muttley]

In his book Poch mentioned doing something similar. From memory it was at the start of a season and they sent PGMOL a compilation of all the decisions that had gone against us the previous season. Not sure whether it had any effect though.

It's how you do it. PGMOL are a toxic organisation so you have to do things very publicly. If you send them a private dossier then why would anyone be surprised that a toxic organisation pays it lip service and doesn't address it. They think they're untouchable.

The answer is to go over PGMOL and work directly with the PL and FA. Do what Goons and Pool did and make very public statements. PGMOL need reminding that their salaries are ring-fenced out of the PL monies coming in from the broadcasting companies. It is not difficult to explain to Howard Webb that funding will be withdrawn if he doesn't right his ship.

Personally, I'd have all this stuff back where it belongs at the FA. Give them the funding and allow them to be an actual FA rather than see them constantly undermined because the PL have the budgets. This is where the government football regulator needs to start throwing their weight around and proving their worth.

 

[Kandi1977]

This is where the government football regulator needs to start throwing their weight around and proving their worth.

What weight do they have to throw around?
By the way, that's a rethorical question

 

[Muttley]

What weight do they have to throw around?
By the way, that's a rethorical question

I think you have to go through the history and decide whether you like the new and evolved models or not. I absolutely hate them.

We have separate PL and EFL organisations. In the case of the PL, they have stolen a load of decision rights away from the FA and operate like a governance organisation. They are in bed with the broadcasting companies and mostly subserve to them.

Personally, I think it should have evolved as a single pyramid of football divisions with a single FA being the single governance.

Not sure whether you've studied the history of PGMOL but it was set up at the start of the millennium. The genesis of it was to scour the officiating up and down the country and build the database of referees that would mean we would end up with elite referees at the highest level. That ability to find great referees has continually failed because of their process. We're not getting the best referees at all when you think about it. I watch equal, if not better referees at Step 5. As @thfcsteff was saying about Rob Jones on a recent pod, this is the profile of ref that is most likely to punch through the process. Steff was talking along the lines of arrogance, ego, image etc and simply wanting to be the centre of attention all of the time. More likely to be spending time in the gym and in front of the mirror rather than self critiquing their match day performance and trying to improve in their job. Jones is an awful referee at any level but makes the elite level. Go figure.

So if we do have a government regulator that truly represents their electorate, then they should be digging around lots of areas in football. The game is mostly about consumer spending when you look at the money trail. The regulator should be enforcing changes on the different football bodies and representing the fans who pay the football bills.

Last thought. Why is PL football as dull as ditchwater nowadays? Why is it less entertaining than other country's leagues? It's all the same root cause to me.

 

[Kandi1977]

I think you have to go through the history and decide whether you like the new and evolved models or not. I absolutely hate them.

We have separate PL and EFL organisations. In the case of the PL, they have stolen a load of decision rights away from the FA and operate like a governance organisation. They are in bed with the broadcasting companies and mostly subserve to them.

Personally, I think it should have evolved as a single pyramid of football divisions with a single FA being the single governance.

Not sure whether you've studied the history of PGMOL but it was set up at the start of the millennium. The genesis of it was to scour the officiating up and down the country and build the database of referees that would mean we would end up with elite referees at the highest level. That ability to find great referees has continually failed because of their process. We're not getting the best referees at all when you think about it. I watch equal, if not better referees at Step 5. As @thfcsteff was saying about Rob Jones on a recent pod, this is the profile of ref that is most likely to punch through the process. Steff was talking along the lines of arrogance, ego, image etc and simply wanting to be the centre of attention all of the time. More likely to be spending time in the gym and in front of the mirror rather than self critiquing their match day performance and trying to improve in their job. Jones is an awful referee at any level but makes the elite level. Go figure.

So if we do have a government regulator that truly represents their electorate, then they should be digging around lots of areas in football. The game is mostly about consumer spending when you look at the money trail. The regulator should be enforcing changes on the different football bodies and representing the fans who pay the football bills.

Last thought. Why is PL football as dull as ditchwater nowadays? Why is it less entertaining than other country's leagues? It's all the same root cause to me.

I completely agree. The FA has adopted a corporate model, and have traded power for "blood money" from the PL, and for that they have lost influence and does not have the power to enforce change. If the PL says 'no, we don't want that' then the FA simply bins it.

 

[Muttley]

I completely agree. The FA has adopted a corporate model, and have traded power for "blood money" from the PL, and for that they have lost influence and does not have the power to enforce change. If the PL says 'no, we don't want that' then the FA simply bins it.

Exactly this. The FA's only hope is that the government regulator wields some power and supports them.